Murali's run out and the spirit of the game.

[LA ICE-E]

I meant if the throw went wide in which case there wouldnt have been an appeal or am I missing something?

I never said anything about McCullum having done it twice.

Yes, I agree entirly with you it wasnt a good thing. No sir, it wasnt. But was it such a hugely evil thing as to cause such a furore....not so sure.

no see the guy that made this thread asked was it ok in the spirit of cricket...no...was it right..yes...simple as that...

 

[marc71178]

All that's fine. Now watch it again and focus on Jerling.

I love the way the umpire is being blamed for Murali's **** up.

 

[SJS]

that didn't happen but the umpire started walking to go to the other side for batsmen because muralis right handed and sangakkara is a lefty ...umpires dont just start walking when the balls still alive so i think murali saw him and thought he was safe but still not saying its any bodys fault but muralis for not know the rules but it was right thing but not a good one from NZ and a bad thing from the umpire for he should not have walked before the play was dead or made the gesture

I am not sure its right to assume that umpires dont start walking till the ball is dead but I see what you are saying. Makes it tough on Murali I agree.

 

[marc71178]

Funny to read that the Grieg incident held up as an example of character and sportsmanship. There was only 1 reason the decision was reversed and that was to avoid riots and to prevent the Test being destroyed by demonstrations and protect people. The umpires continued to acknowledge the decision was correct.

Maybe Jason should've gone down to the ground and started a riot - with him and the other 3 people watching they're bound to have got Fleming to withdraw the appeal!

 

[SJS]

no see the guy that made this thread asked was it ok in the spirit of cricket...no...was it right..yes...simple as that...

I agree its not in the spirit of the game. Maybe we should say in the spirit of the long departed and lamented "spirit of the game (may she rest in peace)".

 

[NZTailender]

Yes, I agree entirly with you it wasnt a good thing. No sir, it wasnt. But was it such a hugely evil thing as to cause such a furore....not so sure.

For mine, it's on par with other bizarre dismissals. Like a ball being hit into a player, it getting caught in the players clothes, and the player taking it as a catch.

 

[LA ICE-E]

I love the way the umpire is being blamed for Murali's **** up.

umpire isn't being blamed for murali...hes being blamed for doing something he shouldn't 1. umpires aren't supose to tell batsman to go back or make a gesture 2. walking to change sides gives you the idea(something to infer from) that play is dead cause if it was two umpire would stay because sangakkara is a lefty and umpire wouldnt change sides then

 

[LA ICE-E]

it really isn't some to make a big deal out of which we are...it was right to do it...but the guy asked if it ok in the spirits of cricket... no...

 

[SJS]

it really isn't some to make a big deal out of which we are...it was right to do it...but the guy asked if it ok in the spirits of cricket... no...

The poll question asks Were NZ right o run out Murali? and to that my answer is affirmative.

 

[JF.]

I was wondering how long it'd be before it featured on YouTube. After seeing that I have to say that I sympathize with Murali. He quite clearly looked at the umpire before he started walking towards Sangakarra and with the umpire walking towards the striker's end I don't blame Murali for thinking he was safe. Gotta feel bad for Murali. Though, I still don't think McCullum did anything wrong.

BTW, the look on Sanga's face was priceless.

That's rubbish. The ball was still on its way back to the keeper. People in CLUB cricket know that the ball is still live - what excuse does Murali have? I also agree with someone's comment about what goes in test cricket these days. Keepers appeal to try to avoid being given byes, sledging, overappealing, claiming catches when it looks like they didn't carry, batsmen not walking when they know they are out. How is this any different?

 

[JF.]

Point is, underarm bowling was legal and thus fair. This is legal, and thus fair.

100% of the blame goes on Murali right now.

Here's another view point. I'm an Aussie and I thought the underarm was disgraceful. I was actually there the day that happened and the crowd just went quiet. We knew something significant had happened. But this is Murali's fault - the ball was still very much live and he should have KNOWN that. You don't watch the umpire. You watch the ball!

Anyway, would it have hurt him to wait a few more seconds before congratulating Sanga? Really? As Flem said, the game doesn't stop when someone scores 100.

 

[JF.]

It is Cricket today as some choose to turn it to. Not Cricket as it was , and it seems sadly, never will be in the future !!

I have to laugh when people go on about sportsmanship. Where was that when the Poms invented Bodyline?? And that was over 70 years ago.

 

[nightprowler10]

That's rubbish. The ball was still on its way back to the keeper. People in CLUB cricket know that the ball is still live - what excuse does Murali have? I also agree with someone's comment about what goes in test cricket these days. Keepers appeal to try to avoid being given byes, sledging, overappealing, claiming catches when it looks like they didn't carry, batsmen not walking when they know they are out. How is this any different?

Wait, what's rubbish? That I feel bad for Murali? That's just how I felt. I'm not blaming anybody except him.

 

[LA ICE-E]

I have to laugh when people go on about sportsmanship. Where was that when the Poms invented Bodyline?? And that was over 70 years ago.

yea and the bodyline wasnt good sportsmanship....theres still some happeing champions trophy i think it was the aussie that didn't claim the catch becasue he didnt know if it was a catch and yes iknow what happend before with Wi

 

[JF.]

PS : Just by the way, suppose the throw to McCullum had gone ary and crossed the boundary for four overthrows, would Sri Lanka have "returned" those runs ?[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what Fleming said. They would have taken them.

 

[Dasa]

As I said on another thread, it's not something I would do but I put enjoyment of the game (mine and others) above all.

You can't blame Test cricketers for running him out when the wicket is there for the taking though - still, it's unsettling and something I personally don't like. Then again, sportsmanship no longer exists in cricket, so it's not a unique occurrence.

 

[JF.]

Wait, what's rubbish? That I feel bad for Murali? That's just how I felt. I'm not blaming anybody except him.

How can you feel sorry for someone who had a brain explosion? I'm sorry but Murali has played over 100 tests and should know the rule. He has no one to blame for this but himself.

 

[SJS]

Okay. I just saw the clip on Youtube. There is nothing underhand about it and there is no communication (throw the eyes) between Murali and the Umpire.

- McCullum had his back to Murali as he was waiting for the throw.
- The umpire is also looking towards the fielder and therefore away from Murali as Murali is putting his bat into the crease to complete the run.
- Murali keeps the bat on the crease for a nano second and lifts it to go towards Sangakarra.

Check the frame by frame pictures from the side on camera and watch the clock that ticks below the video and you will be amazed. The clock shows 3.37 when Murali finally puts his bat down and by 3.38 he is 8-10 feet out of the crease.When he is run out he is no where in the frame.

The guy did nothing like what has been suggested here, "made eye contact with umpire and kind of got his go ahead to congratulate his mate".

PS: While looking for this video I first bumped into another famous Murali run out when he took a high jump from out of the crease and was vaulting well over the stumps when they were shattered by a direct throw. Murali who was "in" by four feet was run out. Our beloved Murali is hilarious with a bat in hand and disastrous , for Sri Lankan fans, when atempting runs.

 

[Sir Redman]

Right, I didn't see the incident live 'cause I was at cricket, but obviously I've seen plenty of replays since then. I simply cannot believe that Murali would do that - the ball was barely out of the fielder's hand for Christ's sake! It is absolutely elementary that you don't leave your crease while the ball is still live. I wouldn't expect to see that from 8 year olds. Murali ****ed up, plain and simple, and I'm sure he knows it too. I'm also sure that if the ball had gone for overthrows they would have taken them without a moments hesitation.

Also, I'd like to know more abut the incident Jayawardene mentioned during the Champions Trophy. I watched the entire NZ-SL game live, and I can't recall even the slightest hint that something similar could have occurred.

Finally, comparisons with the underarm are tenuous at best. There's far more parallels with a batsman tripping while attempting a run, or injuring himself during a run. I remember Chris Cairns pulling a hamstring while running vs South Africa once and being run out - its just tough luck. The fielding team aren't there for charity.

 

[pasag]

As I said on another thread, it's not something I would do but I put enjoyment of the game (mine and others) above all.

You can't blame Test cricketers for running him out when the wicket is there for the taking though - still, it's unsettling and something I personally don't like. Then again, sportsmanship no longer exists in cricket, so it's not a unique occurrence.

Agree more with this more than anything else in the thread. The poll question is abit 'meh' as well.