silentstriker
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*SHRUG*, if it lessens your chance of winning, I consider it inane. If I were the captain, I wouldn't have it in my team.nightprowler10 said:
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Murali's run out and the spirit of the game.
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Neil Pickup
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Can we also please end the comparisons to underarm?
Murali brought this on himself; NZ didn't.
Murali brought this on himself; NZ didn't.
nightprowler10
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Well then its a good thing you suck at cricket.silentstriker said:
i am not talking about animals playing against animals....shaking hands, congratulating an opponent is just basic courtesy...what are you talking about???!!! those are not examples of sportsmanship...! there are rare cases of sportsmanship still to be seen in cricket like a lara or a gilchrist walking when they know they are out, there used to be a walsh or a srinath who warned batsmen who backed up too far as they were about to deliver the ball instead of calmly running them out, another example of sportsmanship...they were exceptions then, they are even rarer exceptions now....LA ICE-E said:
nightprowler10
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Yeah, there isn't plenty out there, but its out there. Walking, not claiming a catch that you know you grounded, etc.
silentstriker
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Touche.nightprowler10 said:Well then its a good thing you suck at cricket.
silentstriker
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Eh? Legal = acceptable, IMO. Both fine by me.Neil Pickup said:
Why ?Neil Pickup said:
NZ chose to run him out when he went out to congratulate a guy who had scored an extremely deserving Century. (and he had tried his best to stay there with him to get him there.)
NZ brought it on themselves in the Underarm episode by leaving till the last ball to score 6 runs which they probably never were going to get anyway had Trevor bowled overarm, right arm, left arm, bent arm , loopy arm.... any which way you look at it and Mackechnie was extremely extremely extremely unlikely -you could say 10 million (or even 100 million )to one to get a 6 off that ball to draw the ODI !!!
nightprowler10
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To be fair, there is a huge difference between this and the under-arm incident. The latter effectively ended the game and decided the result of the match. Murali's runout however did not.
Neil Pickup
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Also, it wasn't just underarm. It was rolled along the bloody floor.
NZTailender
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Loving this debate in regards to sportsmanship.
First of all, NZ didn't do anything wrong. Was within the laws of the game, and Murali knew better. And to be quite honest, I don't think McCullum saw Murali initially going to congratulate his partner on 100. We're all seeing this with the benefit of hindsight and television replays. Remember, it's a fast game and McCullum would've been watching the ball coming in. He gets the ball, sees and turns the batsman is out of his crease and whips off the bails.
In fact, if you watch the video replay of the run out, in two angles you can plainly see Brendon McCullum watching the ball with his back to Murali as Murali touches his bat down and sets off to congratulate. McCullum collects the ball, turns and takes out the stumps.
There's been two signs of complacent cricket here - one from Murali and one from the umpire, getting too far ahead of themselves in the state of play.
Sportsmanship. In cricket, as far as I'm concerned, sportsmanship applies mainly off the field and in between the action.
For example - it's sportsmanship to congratulate a batsman on their hundred, or fifty, or to clap the opposition captain on/off a field, etc.
However, in between the time that the ball is bowled and the ball is dead, all sportsmanship goes out the window. As mentioned earlier (I think, in another thread) if a batsman falls while taking a run and he's out of the crease, you don't go and help him up while the ball is live and play is happening. Quite simply, you run him out. THEN you go and help him up.
The football analogy with the goalie was used before. Another one might be in league or union. If the ball is kicked and a guy on the opposite team drops the catch, fumbling it to one of your guys giving you an opportunity to score a try, you'll score a try. You won't say "oh hard luck on dropping the catch. Here, have another go?"
No. Because that's not professional. At this level, what McCullum did was professional and in the best interests of his team. I don't think he did anything wrong professional-wise or sportsman-wise.
If you want to get on the subject of sportsmanship in regards to Sri Lanka, what about Prasanna Jayawardene holding onto the ball for longer than normal, hoping the batsman would leave his crease to do gardening, or something similar?
If the excuse is "because NZ did it" then automatically, NZ did nothing wrong.
If the excuse is "to get a wicket" then thats fine, because thats what NZ did.
First of all, NZ didn't do anything wrong. Was within the laws of the game, and Murali knew better. And to be quite honest, I don't think McCullum saw Murali initially going to congratulate his partner on 100. We're all seeing this with the benefit of hindsight and television replays. Remember, it's a fast game and McCullum would've been watching the ball coming in. He gets the ball, sees and turns the batsman is out of his crease and whips off the bails.
In fact, if you watch the video replay of the run out, in two angles you can plainly see Brendon McCullum watching the ball with his back to Murali as Murali touches his bat down and sets off to congratulate. McCullum collects the ball, turns and takes out the stumps.
There's been two signs of complacent cricket here - one from Murali and one from the umpire, getting too far ahead of themselves in the state of play.
Sportsmanship. In cricket, as far as I'm concerned, sportsmanship applies mainly off the field and in between the action.
For example - it's sportsmanship to congratulate a batsman on their hundred, or fifty, or to clap the opposition captain on/off a field, etc.
However, in between the time that the ball is bowled and the ball is dead, all sportsmanship goes out the window. As mentioned earlier (I think, in another thread) if a batsman falls while taking a run and he's out of the crease, you don't go and help him up while the ball is live and play is happening. Quite simply, you run him out. THEN you go and help him up.
The football analogy with the goalie was used before. Another one might be in league or union. If the ball is kicked and a guy on the opposite team drops the catch, fumbling it to one of your guys giving you an opportunity to score a try, you'll score a try. You won't say "oh hard luck on dropping the catch. Here, have another go?"
No. Because that's not professional. At this level, what McCullum did was professional and in the best interests of his team. I don't think he did anything wrong professional-wise or sportsman-wise.
If you want to get on the subject of sportsmanship in regards to Sri Lanka, what about Prasanna Jayawardene holding onto the ball for longer than normal, hoping the batsman would leave his crease to do gardening, or something similar?
If the excuse is "because NZ did it" then automatically, NZ did nothing wrong.
If the excuse is "to get a wicket" then thats fine, because thats what NZ did.
silentstriker
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But it was a legal delivery, no? That makes it fine. Just like Murali's run out is fine.Neil Pickup said: