Murali not the first to decline invitation

[PY]

Anzac : I understand what you mean about Jane (?) McGrath being a very sore subject and I'm in full agreement that it shouldn't enter the field of play BUT it was not Sarwan who started it all.

McGrath was the one who was irate before that happened and he was also the one who came up with the comment to which Sarwan replied. Now if the transcript of the what was said that I have read, after what McGrath said, I think anything is fair cop.

Neither of the them should have brought up personal life but McGrath was the first to do so. If McGrath said what he said to Sarwan to me, I'd probably say something similar back because it is the heat of the moment. And also, who is to say that Sarwan knew about the illness?

You don't here Tony Blair commenting about Greg Rusedski swearing on centre court at Wimbledon. In fact, he stays out of it unless England have done well. Howard should take a leaf in my opinion.

 

[PY]

Blah Blah Blah..If Mcgrath was so hurt then he should have controlled his filthy mouth and shouldn't have talked about Sarwan and Lara's gay relationship. who gives a **** if Mcgrath's wife was going through breast cancer, His attempt to use his wife's illness to gain sympathy out of this whole situation was so damn pathetic and disgusting. It is so good to see Australians crying after they are given their own medicine. A medicine they call 'Mental disintigration'.

Having said that, what Sanz just said is a disgrace. In my opinion, that's totally out of order.

How do you know that people on here haven't got relatives who suffer from breast cancer?

 

[Slow Love™]

Perhaps it is too late to prove it, but I will do my best.

In a damning editorial, The Times in London said Australia`s
current crop of cricketers lacked courage and diplomacy and that
the West Indies would never have joined the boycott if Australia
had not set such a "craven example".

"They (the Australians) have upset the organisation of a complex
tournament and handed a propaganda victory to the murderous Tamil
rebels who hold Sri Lanka to ransom," The Times said.

http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat...EB1996/08FEB1996/WC96_AUS_CRITICISM_08FEB1996

Also read, various archived news reports at cricinfo.
http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/WORLD_CUPS/WC96/ARTICLES/JAN1996/

This in no way (absolutely no way!) supports the claim you made, which was that the Australian players were afraid of "fan reaction" at the games. It's a political criticism of their unwillingness to tour, which accuses the Australians of providing (involuntary) succour to the Tamils by not going. In fact, the article makes it clear that the ACB made the decision (which was backed by the foreign affairs minister at the time).

Could you try and stay on topic? You seem to be an adherent of the "if I throw enough irrelevant mud around, something's gotta stick" philosophy. Seriously, what on earth does this have to do with what you said? Leave the trolling to Scallywag.

 

[Sanz]

Oh, the irony. I still don't understand how you can be so dismissive of this, and yet so respectful of Murali's feelings about being heckled at the cricket.

Slow Love, I dont care about Murali's feelings. All I have said again and again is that Murali has a right to pull out of any tour, he doesn't need to justify it and those who are calling him names should back off and accept his decision.

 

[Neil Pickup]

And as far as you are concerned, Murali's action is illegal.

No, as far as he (and I) are concerned, the doosra action is illegal and the off-break isn't.

 

[Sanz]

Having said that, what Sanz just said is a disgrace. In my opinion, that's totally out of order.

How do you know that people on here haven't got relatives who suffer from breast cancer?

Well, If those people decide to abuse me and once I hit back and they start crying about their relatives illness, then sorry I really dont have much opinion about such people and I really dont care. If you care about relations so much, please stay away from making derogatory remarks about others.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Slow Love, I dont care about Murali's feelings. All I have said again and again is that Murali has a right to pull out of any tour, he doesn't need to justify it and those who are calling him names should back off and accept his decision.

As far as I'm concerned, people have the right to criticise everything that is said and done by everybody.

 

[Slow Love™]

Slow Love, I dont care about Murali's feelings. All I have said again and again is that Murali has a right to pull out of any tour, he doesn't need to justify it and those who are calling him names should back off and accept his decision.

Which I agree with - but then, I'm not belittling death threats and legitimate security fears, or trying to mount arguments that other players who decided not to tour (who, in reality, had MORE serious concerns than Murali) had no basis.

If you become what you are arguing against, you lose the moral ground and descend into the very hypocrisy you aimed to criticize. Just saying.

 

[PY]

Well, If those people decide to abuse me and once I hit back and they start crying about their relatives illness, then sorry I really dont have much opinion about such people and I really dont care. If you care about relations so much, please stay away from making derogatory remarks about others.

Well bully for you.

Keep that attitude up and you'll get thrown in with the rest of the trolls that Neil keeps from his childhood.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Oi. I hated those things. The hair freaked me out.

Nonetheless, where are Pete's derogatory remarks? What about any third parties suffering?

 

[Anil]

To be honest i don't know...

If he don't want to come thats his problem, just shows what a sulk he really is....

If he can't hack a bit of banter then he shouldn't be playing the game...

your definition of "bit of banter" being everyone from your head of state onwards villifying him in the face of expert opinion that says all but one of his deliveries is legal...! good one! masterly understatement!

 

[anzac]

Blah Blah Blah..If Mcgrath was so hurt then he should have controlled his filthy mouth and shouldn't have talked about Sarwan and Lara's gay relationship. who gives a **** if Mcgrath's wife was going through breast cancer, His attempt to use his wife's illness to gain sympathy out of this whole situation was so damn pathetic and disgusting. It is so good to see Australians crying after they are given their own medicine. A medicine they call 'Mental disintigration'.

again no comment re Murali's criticism of the tour itinerary or venues as part of his valudation for not going..............

while I may not agree with McGrath's comments in the first instance, one of the unwritten rules re sledging is that it remains 'on field' involving only those participants & does not involve family..........or at least it did in my day

as we do not have a smilie for 'the bird', please accept this instead

 

[Slow Love™]

while I may not agree with McGrath's comments in the first instance, one of the unwritten rules re sledging is that it remains 'on field' involving only those participants & does not involve family..........or at least it did in my day

Nah, I think it's just a matter of context. It wasn't the first time McGrath's wife was brought up - the difference is, that when Eddo Brandes did it, everybody (including McGrath) laughed. He just overreacted on this occasion for obvious reasons, and Sarwan just wasn't aware of the circumstances (and apologized, as did McGrath, after the match).

 

[anzac]

Nah, I think it's just a matter of context. It wasn't the first time McGrath's wife was brought up - the difference is, that when Eddo Brandes did it, everybody (including McGrath) laughed. He just overreacted on this occasion for obvious reasons, and Sarwan just wasn't aware of the circumstances (and apologized, as did McGrath, after the match).

fair enough - but doesn't change my opinion in my earlier post.............

 

[Anil]

while I may not agree with McGrath's comments in the first instance, one of the unwritten rules re sledging is that it remains 'on field' involving only those participants & does not involve family..........or at least it did in my day

is that a rule now? and does the rule also state that anything and everything goes as far as "on field'" is concerned?

 

[anzac]

is that a rule now? and does the rule also state that anything and everything goes as far as "on field'" is concerned?

as I said ...in my day.........if you stepped on the field as a participant then you had to be prepared to take the crap dished out to you - except that it was always about you & NOT your family........

a common way to respond to someone calling you gay etc was to tell him to "give us a kiss and I'll tell you who the other one is"........or similar.......

 

[Slow Love™]

as I said ...in my day.........

When was your day, grandpa?

 

[Scallywag]

He has kept his mouth shut, for most part, He isn't really parroting his statements to anyone. He said it only once (or twice). Dont tell me that you dont want him to speak his mind but at the same time you do not have any problem with Mr. Howard speakin his mind and giving his opinion on everything except politics. SriLankans do have a democracy like Australia and guess what they can listen to their 'Inner voice' as well.

So you would have no problem with players not going to Sri Lanka because their Prime Minister stated he was going to sue the ICC.

 

[age_master]

Murali has a valid reason not to play in australia too. Australians dont deserve to see him in action.

in that case Murali doesn't deserve to play in Australia.....


and comparing Murali's withdrawal from this tour to Macgills of Zimbabwe is just silly

 

[ReallyCrazy]

comparing muralis decision to pull out and macgill's decision to pull out are not silly. Both had their own reasons. Murali was OK with touring Zimbabwe, Macgill wasn't. Murali is not OK with touring Australia for his own reasons and its not in our to place to give a verdict about who has valid reasons not to tour.

murali does not like to play in australia. it goes against his conscience and "inner voice."