Murali bowling with a astraight arm

[dude]

http://www.channel4.co.uk/sport/cricket/news/nr_6295.html

" The Kandy spinner then strapped on a tailor-made arm brace complete with steel rods to prevent straightening of his arm and proceeded to bowl the same three deliveries with remarkably similar results. "

the brace was to prevent his arm from straightening.

 

[dude]

if you read up on it you will realize theres more to the story than just your opinion. most everyone who saw it claims he bowled the same with and without the brace, they agreed that there was a jerk to his action even with the brace.

 

[marc71178]

http://www.channel4.co.uk/sport/cricket/news/nr_6295.html

" The Kandy spinner then strapped on a tailor-made arm brace complete with steel rods to prevent straightening of his arm and proceeded to bowl the same three deliveries with remarkably similar results. "

the brace was to prevent his arm from straightening.

Yes, we know the brace was to prevent his arm from straightening, but that doesn't explain how when the brace was not on, his arm did indeed straighten.

And I wouldn't say the results were anywhere near the same (having watched it)

 

[dude]

"“The fact is this is a perfectly solid brace made from steel bars and plaster of parris and there’s no way the elbow can move here, I put my hand on my heart. But I do notice close jerk movements from shoulder and wrist which may be Murali’s secret,” he added. "

http://www.channel4.co.uk/sport/cricket/news/nr_6295.html

 

[marc71178]

if you read up on it you will realize theres more to the story than just your opinion.

Oh yes, because reading about it is much better than watching it isn't it (!)

most everyone who saw it claims he bowled the same with and without the brace, they agreed that there was a jerk to his action even with the brace.

How come nobody on here has said that then?

Or was I the only person on the site to see it?

 

[marc71178]

"“The fact is this is a perfectly solid brace made from steel bars and plaster of parris and there’s no way the elbow can move here, I put my hand on my heart. But I do notice close jerk movements from shoulder and wrist which may be Murali’s secret,” he added. "

http://www.channel4.co.uk/sport/cricket/news/nr_6295.html

I'm not talking about any of the jerks or anything - I am talking about the FACT that his arm straghtened considerably when the brace was not on (since it was at "full lock" when he reeased, but nowhere near it at the start of delivery)

Stop trying to cloud the issue with jerks and things which have nothing to do with the arm position at the start of the delivery.

 

[dude]

ok. you did see a jerk(straightening) without the brace right? and you did see a simliar jerk with the brace although not as much but it still looked like a chuck to the naked eye right? so point to dwell on here is that the jerk you saw with the brace on is not humanely possible, so do you agree that it was an illusion?

anyways i gotta run to work now mate. shall debate on this further upon my return. have a good day!

 

[marc71178]

The "jerk" and the straightening are completely separate issues.

Without the brace there was a very clear straightening between start and finish of action (as proven by comparing the frame at start and frame at finish of action)

2 still photos that have no bearing on "jerk" since the jerk is a motion.

 

[dude]

I'm not talking about any of the jerks or anything - I am talking about the FACT that his arm straghtened considerably when the brace was not on (since it was at "full lock" when he reeased, but nowhere near it at the start of delivery)

Stop trying to cloud the issue with jerks and things which have nothing to do with the arm position at the start of the delivery.

where did anyone have a problem with murali's action at the start of delivery? do you have an issue with his run up? i dont get it?

 

[marc71178]

where did anyone have a problem with murali's action at the start of delivery? do you have an issue with his run up? i dont get it?

The delivery starts when the arm reaches the level of the shoulder, and finishes when the ball is released.

 

[Tom Halsey]

The way I see it is this. He can bowl Off Spin and the Doosra with the brace, but poorly.

So without the brace, he compensates by straightening. You really needed to watch Simon Hughes' bit after it to notice it.

 

[Swervy]

The way I see it is this. He can bowl Off Spin and the Doosra with the brace, but poorly.

So without the brace, he compensates by straightening. You really needed to watch Simon Hughes' bit after it to notice it.

but Simon Hughes' bit didnt take rotation of the arm into consideration...hence the optical illusion of straightening

 

[Tom Halsey]

Did you see it?

Rotation of the arm didn't really come into it - it was clear that at shoulder height, it was veth bent, and at release it was slightly bent.

 

[marc71178]

but Simon Hughes' bit didnt take rotation of the arm into consideration...hence the optical illusion of straightening

Doesn't explain it being straight in the brace though?

 

[Swervy]

Did you see it?

Rotation of the arm didn't really come into it - it was clear that at shoulder height, it was veth bent, and at release it was slightly bent.

yes i saw it...

it is really hard to explain with out actually showing you what I mean, it was what Dave Richardson was trying to say as well.

When Simon Hughes was showing those side on shots showing the arm angles, it did appear to show that the angle of bending in the arm decreased from the start of the action (arm at shoulder height) to the release of the ball.

But if you looked carefully, the arm also twisted, so if you can imagine the illusion of straightening could occur due to the fact that as the action takes place we are seeing (and therefore measuring angles) different parts of the arm.

In order to get an accurate picture of the angle of the arm through the action, the camera really needs to swing around towrds the front, following the twisting of the arm, so that the same 'face' of the arm is directed towards the camera, and I would guess if that was possible, the amount of straightening would be negligible..thats why Simon Hughes analysis was a bit too simplistic. (which as I say,Dave Richardson tried mentioning in his interview with Nicholas).

I know i probably havent explained it very well, but it is very hard to explain without showing what I mean

 

[Swervy]

Doesn't explain it being straight in the brace though?

the brace weighs 2lbs...its is quite fesible that the twisting of the arm with the brace on isnt as pronounced as without it on, hence the illusion of the straightening angle wouldnt be so obvious

 

[Tom Halsey]

It didn't look like it twisted at all to me.

The elbow was pointing down, it looked.

 

[Swervy]

It didn't look like it twisted at all to me.

The elbow was pointing down, it looked.

trust me..it twisted... that is one of the major points of his doosra

 

[greencarrot2]

yea but have you seen it when he bowls with a brace on his arm that has steel rods running through it and is molded to his arm. he can stil bowl the same deliverys and it proves that his arm does not change in angle.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricket/news/nr_6309.html

 

[greencarrot2]

sorry bout my last post i didnt read all the pages. sorry to bring up the brace thing again.