Most Overrated Player?

[Rich2001]

Anyway...Gilchrist.

Adam Gilchrist :O

What do you base this on Neil?

Test Stats


Matches - 31
Runs - 2160
Average - 60.00
High Score - 204
50's - 11
100's - 6
Not Out - 8
Ducks - 4
Out in 90's - 2
% of team score - 12.4%

And his batting average by position shows that he averages 71.23 from number 7! Name another batsman who gets close to that batting at 7.

Also this guy is a big hitter and can change a game in a few overs, not many players in the game can do this (or at least chose not to display that they can anyway)

In 31 matches and 44 innings - 17 of his innings have been 50 or more, not a bad convertion rate IMO

Fielding Stats

Matches - 31
Catches - 121
Stumpings - 10
Most Catches per Match - 10
Most Stumpings per Match - 1 (doesn't look so bad when you think who he keeps to)

 

[marc71178]

That Ward is over-rated and more over-rated than Gilchrist.

To counter it you have to raise me by a player that is more over-rated than both Gilchrist and Ward put together.

Examples could include Rikki Clarke, Alex Tudor and (to try and spark some debate) Andrew Flintoff.

 

[marc71178]

OK, here we go again. I propose Virender Sehwag as a Test Match Opener.

 

[CaptainSaurav]

That got to be Brett Lee.

He has been described as "once in a generation bowler" by Waugh, he seems to be more like a once in a generation loser!

Others that can be considered,

Kumble
Ian Harvey
Sanford
Flintoff

 

[marc71178]

Flintoff's name reappears - I was only semi-jesting when I posted it.

For all the hype, he hasn't really done it consistently for England (looking at stats alone) - but I'm glad they keep faith with him.

 

[Rik]

Hmmm I raise Flintoff, Kumble (he just gets more and more innefective), Foster, Butler, Lee, Imran Nazir, Azhar Mahmood, Shoaib Malik, Sami (destroyed the NZ batting order on a green pitch then nothing else for the next test...and any other test for that matter...) I would have said Vaughan but he had to go and get some good scores against a rubbish bowling attack on flat tracks...oh hell I'll still vote for him, so Vaughan too...

 

[Rik]

Hmmmm and Sanjay Bangar, boring blocking batsman, crap boring bowler. Theres all this hype about how he's a proper all rounder! He's too defensive for ODI's with 37 runs in 4 innings (top score of 36...nearly all his runs) at an average of 9.25 with a strike rate of 49.33, far too slow. His bowling is also too innefective with 3 wickets in 4 ODIs at an average of 44 and an economy rate of 5.28. Oh and he has a test bowling average of 54...all rounder...yeah right.


[Edited on 15/10/2002 by Rik]

 

[marc71178]

Originally posted by Rik
Hmmmm and Sanjay Bangar, boring blocking batsman, crap boring bowler. Theres all this hype about how he's a proper all rounder! He's too defensive for ODI's with 37 runs in 4 innings (top score of 36...nearly all his runs) at an average of 9.25 with a strike rate of 49.33, far too slow. His bowling is also too innefective with 3 wickets in 4 ODIs at an average of 44 and an economy rate of 5.28. Oh and he has a test bowling average of 54...all rounder...yeah right.


[Edited on 15/10/2002 by Rik]

I actually like Bangar as a player, and he's another that isn't over-rated as he isn't really rated!

 

[basil]

Originally posted by Rik
Hmmm I raise Flintoff, Kumble (he just gets more and more innefective), Foster, Butler, Lee, Imran Nazir, Azhar Mahmood, Shoaib Malik, Sami (destroyed the NZ batting order on a green pitch then nothing else for the next test...and any other test for that matter...)

Thats a funny list. First of all, Azhar,Sami and Malik aren't even a permanent member of the team, so how can they be overrated??. Azhar if for anything is an underrated player, the guy had three tons to his credit in test matches against a team like SA facing bowlers of the calibre of Donald and pollock, he's unlucky not to have cemented his place in the Pak team, but thats mainly coz of Razzak.

As for Sami, the guy has played JUST FOUR test matches, when u can't get a chance to play , u can't perform.Lillee reards Sami highly, he has a long way to go, i'm sure he will prove his critics wrong in future!

 

[Rik]

Yes but as you have just said he is highly rated and I think he is rated too highly.

 

[basil]

Originally posted by Rik
Yes but as you have just said he is highly rated and I think he is rated too highly.

I said that Lillee regard him highly, thats the opinion of a single individual.Also, Lillee didn't describe him as a class bowler or so, just someone with tremendous potential and that Pak were making a mistake by neglecting Sami.

Sami has played 4 tests in 19 months, its impossible to perform impressively if one isn't given a proper run.

Also, u mentioned that Sami performed impressively againts NZ on a greenish pitch, but u failed to realise that 2 of his 4 test matches were on dead tracks!

 

[marc71178]

I like Sami, had him in my World XI for a while.

 

[Rik]

Neither of which will change my opinion of him being crap...

 

[marc71178]

Originally posted by Rik
Neither of which will change my opinion of him being crap...

There's not many players you do like is there?

 

[Rik]

There are very many I like...but very many I don't...Dravid may be in amazing form at the moment but I had to sit through his 3 slow centuries in England...I nearly fell asleep...sorta like when Atherton batted...

 

[marc71178]

You obviously have a short attention span - could you not appreciate the struggle between bat and ball that was ging on, or do you just want Cricket to be played at 100 miles an hour all the time?

 

[Rik]

I could watch it but there never seemed to be a chance of a wicket. Haha what to you expect from someone who loves hitting sixes and most of his runs indoor come from sixes? And who might I add still averages 30 indoors..., I love the sight of an attacking batsman taking the bowling attack to the cleaners...Sehwag was good to watch this summer, as was Tresco and Vaughan's little innings to win the test against Sri Lankia. The Aussies play in a thrilling attacking manner most of the time, cricket is a form of entertainment, surely watching someone like Bangar blocking every ball weather its good or not isn't entertainment?

 

[marc71178]

It depends on your view of the game. Banger's blocking isn't just because he's boring, he's preserving his wicket against the opening bowlers.

Personally I can find a runless period fascinating to watch.

 

[marc71178]

Another attempt at revivng this thread.

Vangipurappu Venkata Sai Laxman

 

[masterblaster]

Originally posted by marc71178
Another attempt at revivng this thread.

Vangipurappu Venkata Sai Laxman

How is VVS Laxman Overrated when he isnt really rated that much, he has played about 3 good innings in his career in Test Matches.

Its all about the mental thing, we can sit all day and criticise and comment on hard working people like VVS Laxman, Brett Lee, Dave Fulton and others and say that there overrated, let them do their job, what their good at and just think, just think

THEY ARE BETTER THAN US AT CRICKET