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Mohammed Amir cleared to return with immediate effect
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Howe_zat
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He was very successful at preventing Amir coming back.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Why not? They've done their time just as much as Amir has.
Fusion
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Because each person's case is different, that's why. Amir was younger, had no prior disciplinary offenses, and was not in a leadership position. Asif had numerous disciplinary incidents (including drug and doping related charges), while Butt was the ****ing Captain of the team. To treat them all equally is absurd in my mind. Incidentally, Asif was my favorite player of the three, and I think he had the biggest talent of the trio. Even so, I always thought he deserved the ban and shouldn't come back into the team.
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Agent Nationaux
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Asif got 2 for 22 in his comeback match.
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Yeah, exactly my thoughts. Amir was, what, 18 at the time?
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
but muh principles!
Scaly piscine
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Did Asif and Butt ever admit to their charges or show any remorse?
Bahnz
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Asif admitted to it several years later (in 2013 I believe), after he'd served his time in prison. Not sure about Butt.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
That makes no sense - they've all served the time prescribed for them so wanting some back but not others is double standards.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
An 18 year old playing International cricket should be treated the same as a 28 year old, if they're good enough to play then they have to follow the same standards of behaviour.
Both have had the same level of training as to what is right and wrong so age is irrelevant.
smash84
The Tiger King
It actually kind of ties into the earlier point about Amir and butt has been rightly arguing along the same lines. Doesn't he deserve a second chance? With that link above he it seems might just be returning
If you can't keep Amir out youll have a hard time keeping the others out
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harsh.ag
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Channeling Captain Absolute today, are we?
cnerd123
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Why are people so against nuance and so hellbent on one-size-fits-all solutions?
The world is complicated. Problems can be complicated. And sometimes solutions are complicated. And thats okay. Can we stop trying to treat every situation as the same under the false pretenses of 'justice', 'fairness' and 'logic', and instead recognise that even seemingly similar situations can be treated differently based on a variety of factors?
The world is complicated. Problems can be complicated. And sometimes solutions are complicated. And thats okay. Can we stop trying to treat every situation as the same under the false pretenses of 'justice', 'fairness' and 'logic', and instead recognise that even seemingly similar situations can be treated differently based on a variety of factors?
mr_mister
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you clearly forget what it's like to be 18
smash84
The Tiger King
indiaholic
International Captain
The excuses people make for an eighteen year old in the name of moral relativism are staggering. Asif may have the intellectual development of an 18 year old, who knows right? Definitely not you guys or me, right? Why not cut him some slack?
Ftr I don't think any of these guys should have their places back. But if you are going to argue that Amir has done his time and now it is time to bring him back then I see no ****ing reason why you wouldn't extend the same courtesy to Asif and Butt.
Ftr I don't think any of these guys should have their places back. But if you are going to argue that Amir has done his time and now it is time to bring him back then I see no ****ing reason why you wouldn't extend the same courtesy to Asif and Butt.