Michael Clarke - all hype, no performance

[age_master]

Yes, he has, Gillespie has always had form slumps.
Just that his good patches in between them tend to be rather sensational.

the start to Clarkes test career was not?

 

[Richard]

how many? 2 or 3?

I've seen him bat 15 times now.

does his ODI record lack substance too?

Of times, yes. Of others, no.

 

[Richard]

the start to Clarkes test career was not?

5 Tests - wow.
Gillespie's tend to be a bit longer than that (and they've also happened plenty of times more).

 

[age_master]

Marsh said Chris Read was the best he'd ever seen - Marsh is hopelessly hyperbolic - the minute someone comes to an Academy of his and works hard he tends to call them the best he's ever seen.

ahh yes but ponting still gained the tag didn't he not quite as publicly as Clarke cause noone really cares much for tasmania, than again, Pontings Record in internationals isn't too shabby is it

 

[age_master]

5 Tests - wow.
Gillespie's tend to be a bit longer than that (and they've also happened plenty of times more).

well if you let clarke play just a few more tests he might have the chance

 

[age_master]

I've seen him bat 15 times now.

Of times, yes. Of others, no.

well i have seen him bat, umm probably closer to 50 times, through Good and Bad form

 

[Richard]

Yes, but those 2 didn't have this patch so early in their career...

Tendulkar after 13 Tests: 666 runs at 35.05
Lara after 4 Tests: 244 runs at 30.50

 

[Richard]

ahh yes but ponting still gained the tag didn't he not quite as publicly as Clarke cause noone really cares much for tasmania, than again, Pontings Record in internationals isn't too shabby is it

Did he gain it from anyone except Marsh?
Because, as I mention, gaining it from Marsh means sod-all.

 

[Richard]

well if you let clarke play just a few more tests he might have the chance

He might - hence I've not said he should be dropped from the side.
I've simply said Clarke has done nowhere near as well as so many people would like to think.

 

[Richard]

well i have seen him bat, umm probably closer to 50 times, through Good and Bad form

My period covers scoring runs and not, too.

 

[Richard]

i dont think his lack of a decent FC record has anything to do with it mate. Its just a faze, he is young has i said just now it if u can remember it was the same problem Mark Waugh had earlier in his career, but it doesn't bother me much he will get out of it and it should bother u neither ur an aussie fan just like me

Mark Waugh who after 9 Tests averaged 54.45?

 

[age_master]

Did he gain it from anyone except Marsh?
Because, as I mention, gaining it from Marsh means sod-all.

most people who saw him play even at the start of his career knew he would be class, picked as future test captain by Richie Benaud at age 19 if i remember correctly

 

[BoyBrumby]

Langer, Hayden, Stephen Waugh, Ponting, Martyn and Lehmann's early careers were a bit more disjointed than Clarke's.
None of them, even Ponting AFAIK, undeservedly acquired the wonderkid tab in such a flurry.

I think that's probably partly an image thing. None of the others (although I've a feeling Linda will probably disagree about Martyn!) are as photogenic as young Michael.

The same is true about the clamour to get B Lee back into the test team; it makes debatable cricketing sense to ditch Kasper (FWIW I wouldn't), but perfect marketing sense.

 

[age_master]

He might - hence I've not said he should be dropped from the side.
I've simply said Clarke has done nowhere near as well as so many people would like to think.

hes also done nowhere near as badly as certain people like to think

 

[age_master]

My period covers scoring runs and not, too.

ofcourse

 

[age_master]

I think that's probably partly an image thing. None of the others (although I've a feeling Linda will probably disagree about Martyn!) are as photogenic as young Michael.

wasn't martyn a model before playing full time cricket?

 

[BoyBrumby]

wasn't martyn a model before playing full time cricket?

Dunno!

But I bet I know a woman who does!

 

[aussie]

aussie

Mark Waugh who after 9 Tests averaged 54.45?

i meant steve waugh

 

[Top_Cat]

Mark Waugh who after 9 Tests averaged 54.45?

My GOD, Mark Waugh also averaged 138 after his first Test!!

Your number fails to take the following into account; he made his debut in the 1990/91 series against England and was dropped for the fifth Test against India the following summer for poor form for Tom Moody (along with Geoff Marsh who was dropped for Wayne Phillips, the ultimate one-Test wonder) after a series where his scores when this way:

11, 34, 5, 18, 15, 0.

Then he was recalled for the series in SL away where his scores were just a little worse:

5, 56, 0, 0, 0, 0.

It was only after that series in SL that he started to build his career back up again. But I would say that the Aussie selectors were quite generous to him in the early days when a slump like that is taken into account.

 

[aussie]

aussie

My GOD, Mark Waugh also averaged 138 after his first Test!!

Your number fails to take the following into account; he made his debut in the 1990/91 series against England and was dropped for the fifth Test against India the following summer for poor form for Tom Moody (along with Geoff Marsh who was dropped for Wayne Phillips, the ultimate one-Test wonder) after a series where his scores when this way:

11, 34, 5, 18, 15, 0.

Then he was recalled for the series in SL away where his scores were just a little worse:

5, 56, 0, 0, 0, 0.

It was only after that series in SL that he started to build his career back up again. But I would say that the Aussie selectors were quite generous to him in the early days when a slump like that is taken into account.

thats for the back up their on mark waugh mate , shocking i didn't know that