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McGrath. Marshall. Hadlee.

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Sliferxxxx

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So
No it's true he played generally weaker lineups than other ATGs while still being the greatest based on his record and rep.
Getting back to you. Based on actual stats, it would seem that there isn't any huge difference batting wise between the batting lineups Marshall faced in the 80s and prior or subsequent decades. See Johans stats that I requested.
 

subshakerz

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So

Getting back to you. Based on actual stats, it would seem that there isn't any huge difference batting wise between the batting lineups Marshall faced in the 80s and prior or subsequent decades. See Johans stats that I requested.
Marshall didn't face his own lineup and the rest don't compare quite as highly qualitatively with the others faced, except India.
 

Sliferxxxx

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Marshall didn't face his own lineup and the rest don't compare quite as highly qualitatively with the others faced.
McGrath didn't face his own batying either, neither did Warne, yet we dont demerit them for that reason. Therefore keep the same energy. And Australia, as shown in the 00s, was further ahead of their contemporaries than WI were with theres.
 

Sliferxxxx

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Marshall didn't face his own lineup and the rest don't compare quite as highly qualitatively with the others faced.
And Statistically, which is what matters, there wasn't a huge gulf between 80s wi batting and the others of: India, Pakistan and Australia. If you can prove that there was a huge gulf, I'm all ears.
 

subshakerz

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McGrath didn't face his own batying either, neither did Warne, yet we dont demerit them for that reason. Therefore keep the same energy. And Australia, as shown in the 00s, was further ahead of their contemporaries than WI were with theres.
Sure but McGrath consistently faced strong lineups in SA and India. Even Pak and WI were pretty good on occasion.

Marshall had a strong Ind lineup in 83 and maybe decent Aus side end of career but generally not the same level. Even Imran and Hadlee faced better 80s WI and late 70s early 80s early Aus lineups
 

subshakerz

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And Statistically, which is what matters, there wasn't a huge gulf between 80s wi batting and the others of: India, Pakistan and Australia. If you can prove that there was a huge gulf, I'm all ears.
Look I still consider Marshall the best ok? But WI were a strong lineup and he didn't face them. The other lineups you can check the scorecards and determine how highly you rate them. I just think others faced better lineups.
 

Sliferxxxx

State Vice-Captain
Sure but McGrath consistently faced strong lineups in SA and India. Even Pak and WI were pretty good on occasion.

Marshall had a strong Ind lineup in 83 and maybe decent Aus side end of career but generally not the same level. Even Imran and Hadlee faced better 80s WI and late 70s early 80s early Aus lineups
Statistically you're incorrect. Pakistan averaged more and Australia and India similarly in the 80s. And the stats for 70s lineups are there in blk and white in case you missed them. Still no huge differences.

Now i agree, when WI had Lloyd and Viv plus the openers they were the best but I never believed they were far and away from the others; because they weren't. My point, Marshall bowled to lineups a similar in output to his own, none of which were "weak " as you keep postulating
 

subshakerz

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Statistically you're incorrect. Pakistan averaged more and Australia and India similarly in the 80s. And the stats for 70s lineups are there in blk and white in case you missed them. Still no huge differences.

Now i agree, when WI had Lloyd and Viv plus the openers they were the best but I never believed they were far and away from the others; because they weren't. My point, Marshall bowled to lineups a similar in output to his own, none of which were "weak " as you keep postulating
Give me an ATG pacer you think faced weaker bats.
 

Sliferxxxx

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Look I still consider Marshall the best ok? But WI were a strong lineup and he didn't face them. The other lineups you can check the scorecards and determine how highly you rate them. I just think others faced better lineups.
Yes but saying he bowled to weak lineups for me, implies he faced teams like what Rsa and WI currently have. The lineups he faced were far from that.
 

Sliferxxxx

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Give me an ATG pacer you think faced weaker bats.
I think current bowlers are facing teams weaker than what Marshall faced : wi, rsa, Ban and zim. The other lineups are good and compare favorably with 80s and 90s batting though.

I mean look at Johans decades stats again. With the exception of Australia in the 00s, most other top batting teams from 70s til 00s averaged around the same.
 

subshakerz

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I think current bowlers are facing teams weaker than what Marshall faced : wi, rsa, Ban and zim. The other lineups are good and compare favorably with 80s and 90s batting though.

I mean look at Johans decades stats again. With the exception of Australia in the 00s, most other top batting teams from 70s til 00s averaged around the same.
I agree about current bowlers and have argued that very same thing with Bumrah.
 

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