McGrath. Marshall. Hadlee.

[kyear2]

Everyone's favourite Cricketers are flawed, except mine, they're perfect.

If only this was meant as a joke

 

[kyear2]

Macko's case for the GOAT bowler is the most solid, but McGrath is a great shout.

Yes he does. Hence why he's not that far behind in 2nd for me and the only other one in contention for said GOAT.

 

[kyear2]

In terms of elite class batting wise we probably have:

Sachin
Hobbs
Sobers
Viv

Bowling

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Warne
Murali

The spinners aren't necessarily better than certain fast bowlers but they're the elite of the elite.

I say all this too say that, Marshall and the other two pacers imo, are in the same class as Sachin and Hobbs etc.

Ps I kinda feel like Smith will join the elite class by the time all is said and done.

The ultimate elite.

Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Hobbs

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee

So just those 8. But in a sub tier below.

Smith
Lara
Hutton
Richards

Warne
Steyn
Murali
Ambrose

That's basically it. The order for the bowlers change daily.

 

[kyear2]

He doesn't belong with Sobers and Bradman.


Not an argument.


You actually think Marshall was clean? How quaint. His own mate Holding was an admitted tamperer.

Life will.be better for you once you accept Marshall wasn't perfect.

Literally said multiple times recently that he doesn't.

You will tell yourself what ever you need to, to legitimize Imran.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

[kyear2]

I'm fine. You're not though. Hence I pity you.


I've asked you several times that we should chill.

You kinda confirming what I said.

Pity me?

You live on a cricket forum.

You defend a ball tamperer and the largest recipient of openly patriotic umpiring in the history of the game, and try everything to justify it like he's your first born. Including but not limited to just randomly accusing everyone one else who played in the era.

Look in the mirror my friend.

 

[subshakerz]

14 man of the match awards and 5 player of the series awards for 200 matches and 74 series is at best underwhelming. It wasn't just that he have mega series, for all of the hundreds a d runs, he didn't take over matches and series like he should have.

Stark and unprecedented gap between home and away bowling record, despite Pakistan being landed as the toughest place to bowl. His record is more impacted by "home advantages" than any other ATG bowler.

Fixed it for you.

MOM is bogus measure. but I agree he didn't God mode often enough.

Not going to rehash Imran debate as your bias on him is well known.

 

[subshakerz]

Literally said multiple times recently that he doesn't.

Sometimes you say the opposite

 

[subshakerz]

Pity me?

You live on a cricket forum.

You defend a ball tamperer and the largest recipient of openly patriotic umpiring in the history of the game, and try everything to justify it like he's your first born. Including but not limited to just randomly accusing everyone one else who played in the era.

Look in the mirror my friend.

Don't take things personally.

 

[sayon basak]

If only this was meant as a joke

He's actually trying to convey the faith of general people, I believe. All other players are flawed, only their favourites are flawless.

And speaking of him, I think Hutton was pretty flawless, as I do not have problems with S.R.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Macko's case for the GOAT bowler is the most solid, but McGrath is a great shout.

 

[Johan]

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that's a good shout too ofc

 

[subshakerz]

Macko's case for the GOAT bowler is the most solid, but McGrath is a great shout.

McGraths case is quite persuasive:

- More longevity
- Stronger lineups faced and tougher era

I go with Marshall for his pace and ability to get more on SC tracks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

McGraths case is quite persuasive:

- More longevity
- Stronger lineups faced and tougher era

I go with Marshall for his pace and ability to get more on SC tracks.

I completely agree. I think Marshall was a better bowler, but damn if McGrath has an extremely strong case for a better career.

 

[Coronis]

In terms of legacy, Bradman and Sobers stand alone in the Pantheon, and in a tier of their own.

In terms of rating though it's just a top tier of
Bradman * Sobers * Marshall * Hobbs * McGrath * Hadlee * Warne * Richards * Tendulkar.

With regards to an AT XI, it's definitely separate tiers.

Bradman | Sobers (no discussion, you write down the names)

Marshall | Tendulkar | Hobbs ( there can be discussion and even a little dissent, but any credible XI will have them)

Warne | Gilchrist (one has a close direct competitor and the other a philosophical opposite, but Warne always wins out and Gilchrist is often the balanced choice for most)

What I have said in the past is that if I'm actually building a team to win a test series, or an one off WTC final, that they are not only my first three picks, I'm not sold that the order is set in stone.

He lacks the legacy that they have, and even the gap they have over the 2nd place guys, but the most critical member of any test team is the guy who gets the first crack at the cherry, and for me that's him. He's the likely match winner, the leader of the attack.

He's not comparable to them on legacy.

My credible XI without them

Sutcliffe
Hutton
Bradman*
Lara
Hammond
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

 

[Sliferxxxx]

My credible XI without them

Sutcliffe
Hutton
Bradman*
Lara
Hammond
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath

It takes a lot of guts to make an all time team without Sachin, solid team nevertheless.

 

[subshakerz]

It takes a lot of guts to make an all time team without Sachin, solid team nevertheless.

The reality is that

Bradman and Sobers are locks

Gilly and Hobbs are next as they are well ahead of next competition for keeper and opener

Then Sachin and Marshall for being the relatively best specialists in much competition.

 

[DrWolverine]

In terms of legacy, Bradman and Sobers stand alone in the Pantheon, and in a tier of their own.

Bradman stands at the top of the mountain.
Sobers is great but doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as The Don.

 

[Coronis]

Bradman stands at the top of the mountain.
Sobers is great but doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as The Don.

You didn’t know? kyear thinks Bradman’s overrated

 

[subshakerz]

Bradman stands at the top of the mountain.
Sobers is great but doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as The Don.

He thinks Sobers might be ahead of Bradman.

 

[DrWolverine]

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I bet majority of people don’t even know who this is