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Match #25- USA vs India (D)- Nassau County Cricket Stadium, New York- June 12th-- Group A

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Don't players leave the IPL for international assignments all the time? The English sure did this time around, what was stopping NZC from demanding their guys back?
Unless I'm wrong, a New Zealander has never left the IPL for international commitments. It would have something to do with ECB central contracts and the value in them, as opposed to the lesser money on offer for an NZ central contract?

We got to a point with Trent Boult in particular where we were so scared to make him commit, that we deemed it better to have him available for the odd T20I series and World events than actually say you're actually all in, or you're out. I actually don't have much feeling in seeing him play for NZ now, I'd honestly rather see a Sears or O'Rourke in there. I started losing interest when I saw him in a shopping mall less than 3km from Bay Oval before an England Test match, we were vastly down on numbers and he didn't make himself available. That was when I realised the game I love had lost its mojo a bit, when he was saving himself to bowl 4 overs a week in Abu Dhabi for a team called the Wackedy Do-ers or whatever they are.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Anyway, apologies for hijacking the game thread. Shame USA couldn't get up, that might've laid bare a bit more how hopeless these pitches are for a major event.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
Both 200 v 200 and 120 v 120 are fun (though the latter obviously moreso). 160 v 160 however has become boring through repetition IMO. In fairness to the much lambasted bosh-offs, even in those highest scoring games you do tend to see one or two bowlers do well: it's not an impossible, fruitless task.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
So questioning the legitimacy of a 'major' international tournament where players are unavailable for the warm-up/pre-tournament build-up, and the pitches are quite clearly not up to scratch, is not decent? Or is it just contrary to your beliefs?
Except the fact that you were doing neither. You basically implied ICC is cheating to help India win, when all the umpires did was implement a rule they said they are implementing at the start of the tournament based on a countdown clock that is visible to the entire ground. And that is exactly what I called it. Salty BS.
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I love that it happened right after that ridiculous run fest of an IPL, especially with all the armchair experts saying T20 had evolved beyond players who struck at less than 150 or whatever when squads were announced.
I'd go as far to argue that the tight games make it preferable if you're trying to sell the game to new people. They have no idea what a "good" cricket pitch is supposed to look like.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Except the fact that you were doing neither. You basically implied ICC is cheating to help India win, when all the umpires did was implement a rule they said they are implementing at the start of the tournament based on a countdown clock that is visible to the entire ground. And that is exactly what I called it. Salty BS.
OK, that was probably flippant and not resembling anything informed.

It's not salty BS, is where you're wrong.
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
I'm not necessarily ****ting on the IPL, although I will admit I don't like it. I'm more '****ting on' the fact that a showpiece international tournament was organised off the back of the IPL - a club/province/franchise event - and we get to a situation where Australia plays its coaches in warm-ups, NZ doesn't play any at all etc. Gary Stead says they tried to play a warm-up, but were denied in the lead-up to the event because their players turned up late. One guy didn't play a single game for 2 months (Phillips) but still turns up late. Some (Kane, Henry, Santner) played very few.

My issue is not the IPL per se but the fact a major event is very clearly second fiddle to a franchise competition. That's an issue. Why could this tournament not have been a week or two later to allow proper preparation?

Then I can get to the issues around the clearly not up to scratch pitches, because the ICC believe they can milk a cash cow in the USA and grow the game. Hard to grow it when a powerhouse side like India scratches around to chase 110 against a minnow, and Sri Lanka gets bowled out for 70 on a corrugated iron deck.
this is a far more balanced view tbf, i can agree with the timing of the wc being weird but they did something similar for 2019 iirc

Australia had only 3 players involved in the final, they chose to give the other 3 an extended rest. Hazlewood hadn’t played cricket for weeks either in the run up to the tournament but has been fine. Phillips coulda left early from the ipl if he wanted but he chose not to, thats on him. Stead is talking outta his backside if this is what he chooses to blame for the lack of prep
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Stead is talking outta his backside if this is what he chooses to blame for the lack of prep
This is the area of the body Stead more often than not speaks from.

It's my understanding that if Phillips left early he wouldn't be paid, or actually his side wouldn't let him in case he was required?

I just think it's a big joke the way this tournament is run. Like in football, the clubs rule the roost even more so than cricket, but I'm pretty sure the Euros/World Cup are timed to give international sides a fair shake at preparation, are they not? Would be even easier for cricket with the IPL being the only obvious clash, in terms of choosing over a World event. That gives you a 9 month window.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
fair enough
Yeah,I threw it off by being flippant about something I didn't know enough about.

I have no issue with India and the IPL, nor do I with players who choose to play in it. My issue is we are, what, 16 years into the IPL and the ICC still are making a ****ing dog's ear out of the ability to run a meaningfully international program alongside it
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah,I threw it off by being flippant about something I didn't know enough about.

I have no issue with India and the IPL, nor do I with players who choose to play in it. My issue is we are, what, 16 years into the IPL and the ICC still are making a ****ing dog's ear out of the ability to run a meaningfully international program alongside it
Think its also the weather stuff once you decide who the hosts are. I do think they try their best to work around the IPL schedule tbf.
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
This is the area of the body Stead more often than not speaks from.

It's my understanding that if Phillips left early he wouldn't be paid, or actually his side wouldn't let him in case he was required?

I just think it's a big joke the way this tournament is run. Like in football, the clubs rule the roost even more so than cricket, but I'm pretty sure the Euros/World Cup are timed to give international sides a fair shake at preparation, are they not? Would be even easier for cricket with the IPL being the only obvious clash, in terms of choosing over a World event. That gives you a 9 month window.
i dont think ipl sides are that stubborn about letting players leave, Buttler was a far more important player for Rajasthan and they let him leave. we’ve had players pull out during the tournament too. the players get paid depending on their availability so Phillips would only miss out on a portion of it and his contract’s around $180k now that im checking, is missing a portion of it going to hurt him that much?
 

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