Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
I don't rate the bowling lineup from the non-Sobers XI quite honestly.
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Marshall vs Hadlee (overall cricketers)
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shortpitched713
International Captain
Lindwall was very, very good.
The other bowlers as well in support I think could be good enough to give good resistance to Sobers. I just think that Sobers with the ball wouldn't be quite penetrative enough at times. I expect to see overall rather high scores, with the non Sobers' team having the more diversity and tools to make match-winning breakthroughs, imo.
Edit: But **** mate, 11 Sobers is a lot of ****ing batting. Draw is probably the most likely result on "fair" pitches. Slight edge to Sobers team probably, as more likely to get a result when he(they?) get things right with the ball.
The other bowlers as well in support I think could be good enough to give good resistance to Sobers. I just think that Sobers with the ball wouldn't be quite penetrative enough at times. I expect to see overall rather high scores, with the non Sobers' team having the more diversity and tools to make match-winning breakthroughs, imo.
Edit: But **** mate, 11 Sobers is a lot of ****ing batting. Draw is probably the most likely result on "fair" pitches. Slight edge to Sobers team probably, as more likely to get a result when he(they?) get things right with the ball.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
I believe there is a clear gap between Marshall and Hadlee in terms of bowling which doesn't make up for the 8-9 run difference in batting.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't see Hadlee as much different than Philander or Wasim, just slightly better. Two tons, one a gift one against WI and the other against SL. He barely qualifies as an AR.
To me this comparison is like someone rating Wasim ahead of McGrath because of batting. We would all understand I'm that case that the marginal difference in bowling outweighs the even more significant batting difference.
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Hadlee averaged 38 in County Cricket. Not that it means he was a, say even Kapil Dev level batsman; but he certainly wasn't in the class of Wasim and Philander.
Coronis
International Coach
Of course not, Kapil averaged 42 in County Cricket
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I said Hadlee was better but not to a big extent. I see him Ashwin level.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Wasim was a high end genuine no.8 with more tons than Hadlee.
McGrath was a genuine bunny no.11.
They have a 15 run batting difference in average.
Please tell me why Wasim shouldn't be rated as a better cricketer than McGrath based on the logic of Hadlee > Marshall.
McGrath was a genuine bunny no.11.
They have a 15 run batting difference in average.
Please tell me why Wasim shouldn't be rated as a better cricketer than McGrath based on the logic of Hadlee > Marshall.
smash84
The Tiger King
Because there's practically nothing in bowling between McGrath and Hadlee
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That's not relevant.
Marshall and Hadlee may be closer in bowling but are also closer in batting than McGrath and Wasim in bowling and batting. So why is Hadlee better and Wasim not?
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Allan Donald + Hadlee batting is easily better than Marshall 
And Hadlee > Donald as bowlers.
And Hadlee > Donald as bowlers.
smash84
The Tiger King
It is relevant. It's how you define the bands.
ataraxia
International Coach
39 itbt (and 14.5 with ball). That's actually batshit: it's the level of fringe England bat. He's a little better than Wasim.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You are not addressing my broader point as to why those comparisons aren't similar.
Why is Hadlee better than Marshall if Wasim isn't better than McGrath? How come the greater batting difference doesn't matter in the latter case?
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smash84
The Tiger King
I just described that whole point in my argument with trundler. Read it.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
ataraxia
International Coach
sux to suck
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, the higher you go up in level the more pronounced differences in primary skill become, and the less pronounced differences in secondary skill become.
Ronnie Irani was a better county cricketer than Andy Caddick. But Caddick was obviously way better a level up.
Marshall would be more useful in a hypothetical ATG World XI level than Hadlee but I'd prefer to have Hadlee in a normal Test side to play other normal Test sides.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Why not both?
It is tough on the likes of McGrath and Imran, but an attack of Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose, Murali/Warne + Sobers is what I'd want in an ATG XI.