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Marshall vs Hadlee (overall cricketers)

Marshall vs Hadlee

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shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
Lindwall was very, very good.

The other bowlers as well in support I think could be good enough to give good resistance to Sobers. I just think that Sobers with the ball wouldn't be quite penetrative enough at times. I expect to see overall rather high scores, with the non Sobers' team having the more diversity and tools to make match-winning breakthroughs, imo.

Edit: But **** mate, 11 Sobers is a lot of ****ing batting. Draw is probably the most likely result on "fair" pitches. Slight edge to Sobers team probably, as more likely to get a result when he(they?) get things right with the ball.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
I believe there is a clear gap between Marshall and Hadlee in terms of bowling which doesn't make up for the 8-9 run difference in batting.
 
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subshakerz

International Coach
centurymaker said:
I believe there is a clear gap between Marshall and Hadlee in terms of bowling which doesn't make up for the 8-9 run difference in batting.
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I don't see Hadlee as much different than Philander or Wasim, just slightly better. Two tons, one a gift one against WI and the other against SL. He barely qualifies as an AR.

To me this comparison is like someone rating Wasim ahead of McGrath because of batting. We would all understand I'm that case that the marginal difference in bowling outweighs the even more significant batting difference.
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Captain
subshakerz said:
I don't see Hadlee as much different than Philander or Wasim, just slightly better. Two tons, one a gift one against WI and the other against SL.
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Hadlee averaged 38 in County Cricket. Not that it means he was a, say even Kapil Dev level batsman; but he certainly wasn't in the class of Wasim and Philander.
 
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subshakerz

International Coach
Wasim was a high end genuine no.8 with more tons than Hadlee.

McGrath was a genuine bunny no.11.

They have a 15 run batting difference in average.

Please tell me why Wasim shouldn't be rated as a better cricketer than McGrath based on the logic of Hadlee > Marshall.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
subshakerz said:
Wasim was a high end genuine no.8 with more tons than Hadlee.

McGrath was a genuine bunny no.11.

They have a 15 run batting difference in average.

Please tell me why Wasim shouldn't be rated as a better cricketer than McGrath based on the logic of Hadlee > Marshall.
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Because there's practically nothing in bowling between McGrath and Hadlee
 
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subshakerz

International Coach
smash84 said:
Because there's practically nothing in bowling between McGrath and Hadlee
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That's not relevant.

Marshall and Hadlee may be closer in bowling but are also closer in batting than McGrath and Wasim in bowling and batting. So why is Hadlee better and Wasim not?
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Hadlee averaged 38 in County Cricket. Not that it means he was a, say even Kapil Dev level batsman; but he certainly wasn't in the class of Wasim and Philander.
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39 itbt (and 14.5 with ball). That's actually batshit: it's the level of fringe England bat. He's a little better than Wasim.
 
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subshakerz

International Coach
smash84 said:
It is relevant. It's how you define the bands.
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You are not addressing my broader point as to why those comparisons aren't similar.

Why is Hadlee better than Marshall if Wasim isn't better than McGrath? How come the greater batting difference doesn't matter in the latter case?
 
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smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
subshakerz said:
You are not addressing my broader point as to why those comparisons aren't similar.

Why is Hadlee better than Marshall if Wasim isn't better than McGrath? How come the greater batting difference doesn't matter in the latter case?
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I just described that whole point in my argument with trundler. Read it.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
Wasim was a high end genuine no.8 with more tons than Hadlee.

McGrath was a genuine bunny no.11.

They have a 15 run batting difference in average.

Please tell me why Wasim shouldn't be rated as a better cricketer than McGrath based on the logic of Hadlee > Marshall.
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This is my reasoning.

ankitj said:
It's based on perceived replacement value in a typical test team. Replacing McGrath with Pollock will weaken a test team imo. You can call it feels, I don't have a formula for this.

As an aside, in a neighborhood plays neighborhood xi though, Pollock in place of McGrath will improve the team because their batting + bowling will actually be approximate value they'd add.
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ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
trundler said:
No, I definitely don't think they're in the same tier and I think it's bonkers to suggest Pollock is a better cricketer than McGrath but I just don't like the logic of summing up batting and bowling separately, especially when comparing a specialist and an AR. It leads to erroneous results IMO. The AR is going to win by default in most cases.
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sux to suck
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
ankitj said:
This is my reasoning.
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Yeah, the higher you go up in level the more pronounced differences in primary skill become, and the less pronounced differences in secondary skill become.

Ronnie Irani was a better county cricketer than Andy Caddick. But Caddick was obviously way better a level up.

Marshall would be more useful in a hypothetical ATG World XI level than Hadlee but I'd prefer to have Hadlee in a normal Test side to play other normal Test sides.
 
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