Kohli's India vs Ganguly's India

[subshakerz]

Still would need those slight changes in pace and trajectory imo. I took even the great Warne, a lot of time to figure that out, it won't be as easy even on the bigger turners. He definitely does better, but not enough imo. If anything, McGrath is the bigger threat.

Yeah but Warne with be joined by MacGill also a very good spinner and McGrath by Gillespie who was excellent in India.

 

[subshakerz]

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[Thala_0710]

It is certainly True , Pat Cummins, rabada, anderson , Starc (who is probably the greatest overseas Bolwer in sl ) etc all great bolwers looked clueless against the current era batters .

And the same guys made Will O Rourke look like the second coming of Ambrose.
With all due respect, none of these pacers are Marshall, McGrath or Holding level

 

[Xix2565]

Harbhajan isn't better than Ashwin/Jadeja even accounting for pitches and DRS. He was mediocre overall and will be a drag on the weaker attack if he gets a lot of overs.

 

[Xix2565]

There's no real debate to be had in general, one side won far more than the other in reality and in tougher conditions more often. Giving 1 Test to Ganguly's side as set up is a little generous.

 

[subshakerz]

Harbhajan isn't better than Ashwin/Jadeja even accounting for pitches and DRS. He was mediocre overall and will be a drag on the weaker attack if he gets a lot of overs.

He is certainly better than some of these foreign spinners who have done well in India the past decade.

 

[Coronis]

Harbhajan isn't better than Ashwin/Jadeja even accounting for pitches and DRS. He was mediocre overall and will be a drag on the weaker attack if he gets a lot of overs.

Did someone say he was?

 

[subshakerz]

There's no real debate to be had in general, one side won far more than the other in reality and in tougher conditions more often. Giving 1 Test to Ganguly's side as set up is a little generous.

Only real edge Kohli team has is Bumrah.

 

[Thala_0710]

There's no real debate to be had in general, one side won far more than the other in reality and in tougher conditions more often. Giving 1 Test to Ganguly's side as set up is a little generous.

In reality that exact xi (especially Ganguly's) hardly played together, and even if they did, very few guys would have been at their best.
Ganguly's team lost basically 1 series as well (like Kohli's team) and that was without their best batsman Sachin.
And they lost to a far stronger Aus than the Nz, the current guys lost to.

 

[Thala_0710]

There's no way the trio of Viru, Sachin and Kumble don't win that team a few games in any series in India.

 

[subshakerz]

There's no way the trio of Viru, Sachin and Kumble don't win that team a few games in any series in India.

Thanks for living in reality. It will be a competitive series.

 

[vidiq]

And the same guys made Will O Rourke look like the second coming of Ambrose.
With all due respect, none of these pacers are Marshall, McGrath or Holding level

You missed the main point - Indian pitches,
They failed against nz pacers because of overcast conditions and a rare pacer friendly pitch .
I don't think india ever prepared pace friendly pitches like NZ series.
I can see McGrath will be dominated by every Indian batsman of this Kohli's team.
As i have seen Hazlewood who is almost identical to McGrath (on the basis of skill i.e both are very tall, both can extract extra bounce, bolwing style of both looks very similar) didn't able to dominate Indian batsmans.
Even n siddhu bashed Ambrose in west Indies pitches , So i don't think ambrose Will perform well against rohit sharma, kl Rahul etc.

 

[subshakerz]

You missed the main point - Indian pitches,
They failed against nz pacers because of overcast conditions and a rare pacer friendly pitch .
I don't think india ever prepared pace friendly pitches like NZ series.
I can see McGrath will be dominated by every Indian batsman of this Kohli's team.
As i have seen Hazlewood who is almost identical to McGrath (on the basis of skill i.e both are very tall, both can extract extra bounce, bolwing style of both looks very similar) didn't able to dominate Indian batsmans.
Even n siddhu bashed Ambrose in west Indies pitches , So i don't think ambrose Will perform well against rohit sharma, kl Rahul etc.

Yeah but we saw the same Indian bats struggle and lose games to mediocre or rookie away spinners and suddenly they are faced with Warne and MacGill.

And McGrath is just a level ahead of Hazelwood. Gillespie bowled Aus to victory in India in 2004/5.

 

[Xix2565]

He is certainly better than some of these foreign spinners who have done well in India the past decade.

Yeah and most of those teams didn't win. I just see him as an easier weak point for the Kohli bats to attack compared to facing Ashwin/Jadeja/3rd spinner.

Did someone say he was?

People are presuming the DRS factor and perhaps pitches will make the Ganguly spin attack much better but we've still seen India win all but 1 series overall regardless. And far more matches in general compared to any past Indian home side.

 

[Xix2565]

Only real edge Kohli team has is Bumrah.

Ashwin/Jadeja/Shami are massive advantages in general. The Kohli side has the far superior bowling attack. It's not a question here.

 

[subshakerz]

Ashwin/Jadeja/Shami are massive advantages in general. The Kohli side has the far superior bowling attack. It's not a question here.

This is neutralised by the fact that Gangulys team has much better bats particularly against spin.

Bumrah is the difference.

 

[Xix2565]

This is neutralised by the fact that Gangulys team has much better bats particularly against spin.

Bumrah is the difference.

Their batters aren't much better. Not meaningfully enough given the era being used for the side.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah and most of those teams didn't win. I just see him as an easier weak point for the Kohli bats to attack compared to facing Ashwin/Jadeja/3rd spinner.

Yeah but if those spinners weren't wacked around for fun I don't see Harbi especially if it's his home conditions or rank turners and he has access to DRS.

People are presuming the DRS factor and perhaps pitches will make the Ganguly spin attack much better but we've still seen India win all but 1 series overall regardless. And far more matches in general compared to any past Indian home side.

DRS will make Kumble and Harbi more dangerous spinners than we see by their numbers this is an objective fact.

 

[Thala_0710]

You missed the main point - Indian pitches,
They failed against nz pacers because of overcast conditions and a rare pacer friendly pitch .
I don't think india ever prepared pace friendly pitches like NZ series.
I can see McGrath will be dominated by every Indian batsman of this Kohli's team.
As i have seen Hazlewood who is almost identical to McGrath (on the basis of skill i.e both are very tall, both can extract extra bounce, bolwing style of both looks very similar) didn't able to dominate Indian batsmans.
Even n siddhu bashed Ambrose in west Indies pitches , So i don't think ambrose Will perform well against rohit sharma, kl Rahul etc.

Hazlewood is a similar type of bowler to McGrath in style. There is a very big difference in quality though. I can't see these guys playing McGrath well, far less dominate him

 

[subshakerz]

Their batters aren't much better. Not meaningfully enough given the era being used for the side.

Sehwag, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dhoni are elite players of spin whereas Kohlis team doesn't have the same level except maybe Rohit.