subshakerz
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I think all factors equal I would put Kapil in my side because he was better as bowler than Shakib in either discipline. Plus lets not forget him being an outstanding fielder.
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Kapil Dev vs Shakib Al Hasan
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Burgey
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Course I have. Seen the ready-made-rough-rider go around plenty of times. The bloke is a joke.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
In a NZ scenario Kapil (marginally better than Cairns due to longevity) would add very little to our ATG side, whereas Shakib is a big upgrade on Vettori. If Shakib played for NZ he'd be our best ever spinner (ignoring Clarrie Grimmett), whereas Kapil might not be in our top 10 seamers.
Compare the sides
With Kapil
Dempster
Turner
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
Watling
KAPIL
Vettori
Hadlee
Wagner
Bond
vs
Dempster
Turner
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
SHAKIB
Watling
Hadlee
Wagner
Cowie
Bond
The 2nd team is much stronger.
Compare the sides
With Kapil
Dempster
Turner
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
Watling
KAPIL
Vettori
Hadlee
Wagner
Bond
vs
Dempster
Turner
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
SHAKIB
Watling
Hadlee
Wagner
Cowie
Bond
The 2nd team is much stronger.
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Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Fair point
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah but trying to fit a player in a team with varying strengths is a bad way to determine a better cricketer.
Assume you are putting them in an ATG XI with no weaknesses at no.7. Who gets in based on the value to the side?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Think Kapil the bowler is being underrated here. India' s best pacer at home, at his peak was taking 4 wickets a test at 26 for 52 tests, and has multiple impressive series in Australia and WI.
Coronis
International Coach
Probably Gilchrist
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
True but no.7 may be the only place that both Shakib and Kapil could fit in a hypothetical XI for this exercise to determine who is more valuable to a side.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Yeah I was surprised by that which is why I made this poll.
trundler
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Kapil wouldn't average 30 overall if not for WSC weakened sides though.
Gob
International Coach
Wut?
Your team is Nz ffs not West Indies
BazBall21
International Captain
True, but I would still say the gap in their batting averages clearly flatters Shakib.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Kapil took 89 wickets in 25 tests against WI @24.89. This included one series where they were significantly weakened by World Series.
If you remove that series though, his average against them improves to 22.98 (72 wickets in 19 tests).
There was one series by Australia in India in 1979-80 which Chappell did not tour, but he was notorious for skipping many tours. Border played though. Kapil the bowler never really benefited from World Series weakened sides. May be Kapil the batsman.
He didn't have much of a good record against SL and Zim either, so he wasn't a minnow basher too.
One main reason I rate Kapil above Shakib is that the latter does not have much of a sample size outside sub continent. He has skipped a few series too for non injury reasons so there is that as well.
If you remove that series though, his average against them improves to 22.98 (72 wickets in 19 tests).
There was one series by Australia in India in 1979-80 which Chappell did not tour, but he was notorious for skipping many tours. Border played though. Kapil the bowler never really benefited from World Series weakened sides. May be Kapil the batsman.
He didn't have much of a good record against SL and Zim either, so he wasn't a minnow basher too.
One main reason I rate Kapil above Shakib is that the latter does not have much of a sample size outside sub continent. He has skipped a few series too for non injury reasons so there is that as well.
The Australian squad in India in 1979-80 wasn't just missing Chappell, it's a WSC-free squad (it's pretty much the same players as had played against England and Pakistan several months before).