Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[capt_Luffy]

Kyear isn't necessarily wrong. If a political party win an election, that doesn't mean people who voted for the nearest losers are automatically incorrect.

Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with not rating him as an ATG. But I do think you downgrade him a bit too much.

 

[peterhrt]

On eye test, limitations in both disciplines are very clear to see.

Kapil was actually a better batsman than his numbers would suggest. Good technique against pace and spin. Clean straight hitter.

Workload management meant he batted lower in the order than his abilities warranted. Like Botham, he wasn't bothered about averages or getting out.

 

[kyear2]

Well, I think I have said plenty much everything I have said, if you disagree fair. But well, the poll results do works in his favour all I can say, massively so.

Are you honestly going to go with that?

Let's take the non vested parties from both sides and do a count.

Let's just for the save of curiosity take a look at the neutral observers in the poll.

 

[BazBall21]

Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with not rating him as an ATG. But I do think you downgrade him a bit too much.

Tbh I haven't voted in either poll. I don't give players certain tags as much as the average regular poster on here and AR v specialist is tough. Although yes, I don't rate Kapil as highly as you do and I've given my reasons why a few times over in this discussion.

 

[Johan]

is Kapil better than Sunny at home?

 

[BazBall21]

Kapil was actually a better batsman than his numbers would suggest. Good technique against pace and spin. Clean straight hitter.

Workload management meant he batted lower in the order than his abilities warranted. Like Botham, he wasn't bothered about averages or getting out.

I think he fulfilled himself with the ball. Perhaps not with the bat, but that is quite natural for players with his scoring tempo.

 

[Coronis]

Top 2 in his era were WI and Pak.

Feels like people sometimes seem to forget how good Pakistan were outside of Imran in the 80’s. Their bowling wasn’t the greatest outside of Imran, but their batting was pretty darn good.

 

[Johan]

is Kapil better than Sunny at home?

@capt_Luffy

 

[kyear2]

Kyear isn't necessarily wrong. If a political party win an election, that doesn't mean people who voted for the nearest losers are automatically incorrect.

US elections, cough cough...

 

[Johan]

Feels like people sometimes seem to forget how good Pakistan were outside of Imran in the 80’s. Their bowling wasn’t the greatest outside of Imran, but their batting was pretty darn good.

other than his debut series, Kapil averages 27.7 with the ball against them, which is very good considering they were roads both ways

 

[kyear2]

Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with not rating him as an ATG. But I do think you downgrade him a bit too much.

Are averages of 33 with the ball and 26 with the bat away from home, ATG numbers?

 

[Bolo.]

Feels like people sometimes seem to forget how good Pakistan were outside of Imran in the 80’s. Their bowling wasn’t the greatest outside of Imran, but their batting was pretty darn good.

Wasim played for half of Kapil's career, and Waqar for a decent portion too, which included just about his entire peak.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Are averages of 33 with the ball and 26 with the bat away from home, ATG numbers?

What about 26 and 37 at Home??

And FTR Ponting Averages 45 away from Home on roads. ATG numbers??

 

[kyear2]

What about 26 and 37 at Home??

And FTR Ponting Averages 45 away from Home on roads. ATG numbers??

No.

Definitely great though.

And @capt_Luffy not answering the question of the away numbers?

And how can one go ATG when the away numbers are objectively poor?

 

[kyear2]

Are you honestly going to go with that?

Let's take the non vested parties from both sides and do a count.

Let's just for the save of curiosity take a look at the neutral observers in the poll.

@capt_Luffy not answering this one?

 

[Johan]

Kapil>Sunny at home

 

[capt_Luffy]

No.

Definitely great though.

Sympathies

On roads it's mid.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Are you honestly going to go with that?

Let's take the non vested parties from both sides and do a count.

Let's just for the save of curiosity take a look at the neutral observers in the poll.

If you want, sure do that. Among the ones who haven't voted, only Baz expressed his opinion explicitly.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kapil>Sunny at home

That's..... Actually probably true. At home, not sure whether Sachin was better as well.

 

[kyear2]

Sympathies

On roads it's mid.

Sympathies?

Your entire argument has been hyper partisan.

As I said, you're better than this.