It will be a Batter's WC!!

[marc71178]

To me Murali is the best spinner in the world!

*** Awaits opening of debate in legality of his action ***

 

[Neil Pickup]

Not surprising considing this is comming from someone who is used to judge a player by his performance in a single match.

Adam Gilchrist went for single run in the first match!!!

Must be a crap player:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Except Gilchrist has scored numerous 100s and 200s at international level. Rapidly.

Show me some of de Groot's good performances.

Sanwar, incidentally, is a batsman who's nothing more than an occasional off-spinner who's more of a partnership breaker than anything (like Ponting).

 

[Rik]

*** Awaits opening of debate in legality of his action ***

It's been proven legal so any debate can stop here.

 

[Choora]

Except Gilchrist has scored numerous 100s and 200s at international level. Rapidly.

Show me some of de Groot's good performances.

Show you from where?? How many matches have Canada played till now ?? Premature judgement is your trade mark!


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Sanwar, incidentally, is a batsman who's nothing more than an occasional off-spinner who's more of a partnership breaker than anything (like Ponting). [/QUOTE]

Huh? Once Sunil Gavaskar was dismissed by an occasional bowler cheaply, there are other example of great batters going down to occasional bowlers too, and they were in TEST matches!!

 

[full_length]

It's been proven legal so any debate can stop here.

That's not stopped anyone before :rolleyes:

Looks like Choora's prediction is turning to be correct.

The batsmen are winning the matches right now. the games have hardly been lowscoring barring India's strange effort against Holland!

 

[Rik]

Show you from where?? How many matches have Canada played till now ?? Premature judgement is your trade mark!

No mate, not Neil.

 

[Rik]

That's not stopped anyone before :rolleyes:

No but I'm stopping it now, and I have never doubted his action for one minute. If you want to slag him and his action off then make a new thread, but it's been done too many times before. It's legal, the ICC say so, end of debate.

 

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wtf is the matter with you? I didnt slag him off. I believe his action is legal.

 

[Ringua]

Warnie as you so Lovingly address him is NOT the best spin bowler, mr Ringua, and men like Carl hooper and Lance Klusener and others that love spin, will rip him apart.



Don't get me wrong I really like his style, but batsmen like Degroot - who love spin - are not to be taken lightly on the field.

Have a nice day.

So the Big boy went for zero in the first match at the hand of a part time spinner. Hahahah ....I was infact waiting for this moment!!
OK, i'm gonna observe Mr Degroot progress throughout the tournament, lets see if your hero have a better luck next time!!

 

[marc71178]

Could he replace AA in the affections of the CW forum?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Right, let's look at de Groot's performances in the ICC Trophy (not the most impressive bowling attacks, I'm sure you'll agree...)

82* vs Singapore
23 vs Scotland
1 vs Holland
22 vs UAE
17 vs Fiji
12 vs Namibia
17 vs Denmark
47 vs USA
19* vs Scotland

I am not impressed.

Add this to a First Class record with Guyana of 1178 @ 21.41 (6x50, HS78) and a List A record of 319 @ 22.78 (2x50, HS59) and he looks like nothing more than a swing-and-hope hitter... I'd rate Glenn Chapple comfortably above him.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

How many times have you seen deGroot bat Neil? How can you call him a

swing-and-hope hitter

if you've only seen him bat but once? That's very unfair and I expected a more mature and informed comment coming from you.

It's not that I think deGroot is a prodigy or anything. I just think that you're being unfair by dismissing him as crap.

You can't judge a player purely on stats.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I didn't call him a "swing-and-hope" hitter as such... I suggested that he was more of a hitter than a top-class aggressive batsman like Gilchrist (who he was being compared to).

 

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Just curious:

What would you two guys call Afridi? Would you call him explosive or a swing and miss hothead?

(A side reason for the interest is that I couldnt fathom why a couple of my friends seem to believe in this guy..)

 

[luckyeddie]

Just curious:

What would you two guys call Afridi? Would you call him explosive or a swing and miss hothead?

(A side reason for the interest is that I couldnt fathom why a couple of my friends seem to believe in this guy..)

Therein lies the rub.

If it works, he's explosive (and a hero).

If it doesn't, he's a hothead - or worse.

I like him just the way he is. If you tried to change him, it would be to the detriment of his game.

 

[Anil]

Afridi has played 174 matches, has 3872 runs at an average of 23.90 with 3 100s and 22 50s. He has taken 128 wickets at an average of 39.60 and an economy of 4.60 and has taken 63 catches. If you take his overall contribution, you can maybe make a case for his continued inclusion in the Pak team. If you take him solely as a batsman, what comes across from the figures is that he is a swinger always, who misses more than he hits. That impression is reinforced when you take his man-of-the-match awards, he has 11 awards and 1 man-of-the-finals award in the World Series in Australia, but no series awards. This, I think shows his inconsistency clearly. Moreover his averages against the better attacks in OD cricket Australia and SA are:
Aus: 12.77 SA: 22.30 which suggests that he is a liability against the top teams. A match winner on his day, but his days don't look like they happen too often.

 

[full_length]

Convincing and impressive I must say

This time (IMO) stats have been used well, to represent the ground reality!


LE, I wouldnt change Afridi's style of play at all! I would just choose when to pick him very carefully and simply wont pick him if he is not in top bowlign and batting form and if he is not opening and if he's not playing a team with a relatively weaker opening bowling pair.

If someone wanted to slow down Afridi, shunt him up and down, and pick him in spite of poor form in bowling, they might as well pick Wasti.

 

[Choora]

I didn't call him a "swing-and-hope" hitter as such... I suggested that he was more of a hitter than a top-class aggressive batsman like Gilchrist (who he was being compared to).

I never compared Degroot with Gilchrist.All i said was that its not wise to judge a player on the basis of his performance in one match, otherwise you can end up dismissing Gilchrist as a batsman (since he didn't scored much in the first match)

 

[luckyeddie]

LE, I wouldnt change Afridi's style of play at all! I would just choose when to pick him very carefully and simply wont pick him if he is not in top bowlign and batting form and if he is not opening and if he's not playing a team with a relatively weaker opening bowling pair.

I have no argument with these sentiments either.

 

[Rik]

wtf is the matter with you? I didnt slag him off. I believe his action is legal.

Stop taking comments so personally. I was addressing the forum as a whole.