Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

[shortpitched713]

for the 1st 60 pages

Ashwin is overrated because he gets dropped for Jadeja on overseas tours

since then

Jadeja shouldnt be picked in an Indian atg xi because he gets dropped for Ashwin on overseas tours

what the ****

Ashwin is a greater bowler, and overall player than Jadeja imo, but Jadeja is extremely useful on any team, but yeah that is a funny observation.

Jadeja might be the only Frontline quality spin bowling all-rounder of the modern (post 1970 debut) Era?

(Personally, don't rate Shakib's spin bowling enough to consider hin a Frontline quality bowler, although his batting is marginally better)

 

[Socerer 01]

there’s enough strawmanning and assumptions in this thread from certain smoothbrains to rival even the best of reddit

 

[Socerer 01]

Ashwin is a greater bowler, and overall player than Jadeja imo, but Jadeja is extremely useful on any team, but yeah that is a funny observation.

Jadeja might be the only Frontline quality spin bowling all-rounder of the modern (post 1970 debut) Era?

(Personally, don't rate Shakib's spin bowling enough to consider hin a Frontline quality bowler, although his batting is marginally better)

Mushtaq Mohammad was good imo

im laughing at the circular logic application in this thread with my original post tbf

 

[Coronis]

there’s enough strawmanning and assumptions in this thread from certain smoothbrains to rival even the best of reddit

No offence to the awful posts and posters in this thread, but they’re nowhere near the level of some of reddit lol

try harder guys

 

[subshakerz]

for the 1st 60 pages

Ashwin is overrated because he gets dropped for Jadeja on overseas tours

since then

Jadeja shouldnt be picked in an Indian atg xi because he gets dropped for Ashwin on overseas tours

what the ****

Both are right and both have happened.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

You’re just mad there is only one allrounder who makes his country’s ATG side on both batting and bowling.

The one, the only, the answer.

Shakib

Nah. Ellyse Perry. Better than Sobers and Imran

 

[Coronis]

Nah. Ellyse Perry. Better than Sobers and Imran

Who?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Who?

Ellyse Perry. Can make her ATG team on both disciplines

 

[Coronis]

Ellyse Perry. Can make her ATG team on both disciplines

Never heard of her

 

[shortpitched713]

Ashwin is a greater bowler, and overall player than Jadeja imo, but Jadeja is extremely useful on any team, but yeah that is a funny observation.

Jadeja might be the only Frontline quality spin bowling genuine all-rounder of the modern (post 1970 debut) Era?

(Personally, don't rate Shakib's spin bowling enough to consider hin a Frontline quality bowler, although his batting is marginally better)

 

[shortpitched713]

Mushtaq Mohammad was good imo

MM falls just short as a Frontline bowler, imo, but very good shout.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Jadeja is neither an atg quality batsman nor bowler and he throws off the balance, What's the upside?

Actual performances in the last X years where he’s dragged the side from an embarrassing position to post a decent, competitive total that the bowlers can then work with.

In fact, balance is literally the thing he brings.

 

[TheJediBrah]

proof is in Watson and Symonds getting picked for Australia when available

This is bull**** that gets thrown around here a lot. Watson didn't get in the team with any regularity until, what, 2009? And Symonds in 2007. Neither are getting in the Test side regularly from 1999-2005, it wasn't until the likes of Waugh, Martyn etc retired. In fact Symonds came in for a regular spot the very game after Martyn retired.

Don't get me wrong, the overall point is right, if Aus had a Kallis sitting in the wings he would play ahead of a Martyn, Katich or whoever the least good top 6 bat would be. But Symonds and Watson are NOT examples of this.

Edit: didn't mean to come across so harsh, because again, the actual point being made is a good one. Just used a bad example

 

[subshakerz]

Actual performances in the last X years where he’s dragged the side from an embarrassing position to post a decent, competitive total that the bowlers can then work with.

In fact, balance is literally the thing he brings.

I don't think an extra lower order bat is as critical as you are making out in an ATG game at the expense of specialist bowling skill.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

So McGill is ATG

Not only ATG, hes the first choice to Warne if he batted like Warne

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

'No' vote went from 41% to 43% within last 20 pages or so. That means 'No' sided posters winning here

 

[Xix2565]

What's your XI in Australia then?

ATG or what?

 

[Xix2565]

Shameless bozos crying about ATG Jadeja and Ashwin but are fine with handicapping Indian XIs real or imaginary with 4 bowlers. Should be fired into the Sun for being terrible at thinking about cricket. Get in the rockets you dummies.

 

[Socerer 01]

This is bull**** that gets thrown around here a lot. Watson didn't get in the team with any regularity until, what, 2009? And Symonds in 2007. Neither are getting in the Test side regularly from 1999-2005, it wasn't until the likes of Waugh, Martyn etc retired. In fact Symonds came in for a regular spot the very game after Martyn retired.

Don't get me wrong, the overall point is right, if Aus had a Kallis sitting in the wings he would play ahead of a Martyn, Katich or whoever the least good top 6 bat would be. But Symonds and Watson are NOT examples of this.

Edit: didn't mean to come across so harsh, because again, the actual point being made is a good one. Just used a bad example

i did say when available for a reason bro

and besides you’re not disagreeing with me in any way tbh, you’ve cropped out the part where i said they didnt have an all rounder knocking on the door for selection in the team’s prime

 

[TheJediBrah]

i did say when available for a reason bro

yeah I understood exactly what you said but the example still wrong. Symonds and Watson wouldn't (and didn't and most importantly shouldn't) have made the side regularly before about 2007. The side was stronger without them