Is James Anderson an ATG test bowler?

[ma1978]

ATG peak of 100 tests and a lot of value on either side of that, 700 wickets as a pace bowler. He’s arguably the most *valuable* bowler ever.

 

[honestbharani]

Coz Anderson has vampire teeth.

 

[Molehill]

Avg of 26 is as good as 24-25 when someone has had a career as long as him. He has played twice as long as other greats. I am sure within his whole career, you would find a long enough phase/mini-career (which would constitute an entire career for another great) where Anderson is averaging early 20s. So his career already contains ATG levels.

Literally, from the age of 35 to now....

Anderson 233 wickets, 22.57 (65 Tests)
Cummins 269 wickets, 22.53 (62 Tests)

It's ridiculous that he's all but re-created Cummins entire career from the age of 35 onwards!! That's ATG on its own without the other 470 wickets to go with it.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Literally, from the age of 35 to now....

Anderson 233 wickets, 22.57 (65 Tests)
Cummins 269 wickets, 22.53 (62 Tests)

It's ridiculous that he's all but re-created Cummins entire career from the age of 35 onwards!! That's ATG on its own without the other 470 wickets to go with it.

That ignores his awfully low WPM

 

[TheJediBrah]

Of course he is. You only have to look at some of the ‘No’ voters for affirmation. Burgey. Son of Coco. Shady. Shri. It’s like a Who’s Who of Insecure Chips on the Shoulder when it comes to Jimmy.

There will never be another like him but those named above will continue to live in denial for many years to come

**** I forgot to vote No

 

[Fuller Pilch]

only on cricketweb can the 3rd highest test wicket taker of all time not be considered an atg in definite terms and i say this as someone who memes on Anderson

Why?
Are any of the 4th, 5th, and (currently) 7th highest (Kumble, Broad, and Lyon) considered ATGs?

Cook finished 5th in runs and could've easily got to 2nd behind Tendulkar if he'd kept playing and yet falls short of being an ATG.

I personally think Anderson ticks enough boxes now, but I can see why it is questioned.

 

[ma1978]

Why?
Are any of the 4th, 5th, and (currently) 7th highest (Kumble, Broad, and Lyon) considered ATGs?

Cook finished 5th in runs and could've easily got to 2nd behind Tendulkar if he'd kept playing and yet falls short of being an ATG.

I personally think Anderson ticks enough boxes now, but I can see why it is questioned.

Anderson is first amongst pace bowlers and by such a wide margin none of your other comparisons are relevant

If Kumble had 900 cricket at his final average he would be an ATG

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean, Kumble is an ATG in my book....

 

[Molehill]

That ignores his awfully low WPM

That ignores the 233 wickets at 22.57 for a seamer over 35. No one else will ever achieve that.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Of course he is. You only have to look at some of the ‘No’ voters for affirmation. Burgey. Son of Coco. Shady. Shri. It’s like a Who’s Who of Insecure Chips on the Shoulder when it comes to Jimmy.

There will never be another like him but those named above will continue to live in denial for many years to come

I hope he plays until he's 70. He might manage a decent tour of Australia (as well as enjoy some apple pie and custard at one of the local nursing homes).

 

[ImpatientLime]

can see why english voters would think so. bloke was the leading seamer on away wins in australia, india and pakistan. not bad going.

numbers and bullshit rhetoric aside, the one thing i really enjoy about him is he can swing the ball either way at his own choosing. such a weird and rare ability.

 

[Son Of Coco]

That ignores the 233 wickets at 22.57 for a seamer over 35. No one else will ever achieve that.

Sure, but if you switch the number that represents his average with the one that states his age...then he's pretty poor.

 

[centurymaker]

22 vs 9
So the majority see him as an ATG

 

[Son Of Coco]

22 vs 9
So the majority see him as an ATG

There was a time way back in 2005 when a majority of the population thought that Crazy Frog was the best song on the planet.

 

[GIMH]

Why?
Are any of the 4th, 5th, and (currently) 7th highest (Kumble, Broad, and Lyon) considered ATGs?

Cook finished 5th in runs and could've easily got to 2nd behind Tendulkar if he'd kept playing and yet falls short of being an ATG.

I personally think Anderson ticks enough boxes now, but I can see why it is questioned.

I think purely because of how hard physically it is to be a seam bowler over any period of time it surely differentiates it from those who’ve accumulated runs over such a long period of time.

 

[Molehill]

Sure, but if you switch the number that represents his average with the one that states his age...then he's pretty poor.

And if you judge Bradman on his last innings he's a forgotten figure in the world of cricket.

In about 50 years time they'll be asking how the **** a seamer got to 700 Test wickets.

 

[centurymaker]

Irrelevant as we will continue to remember Anderson long after he is retired

 

[CricAddict]

There was a time way back in 2005 when a majority of the population thought that Crazy Frog was the best song on the planet.

Isn't it still is?

 

[Son Of Coco]

And if you judge Bradman on his last innings he's a forgotten figure in the world of cricket.

As he should be.

In 50 years time, Jimmy will only be 91. No reason to think he won't still be rolling the arm over given how much he clearly hates being at home*.

* When he's not bowling, of course.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Irrelevant as we will continue to remember Anderson long after he is retired

I think my Crazy Frog point still stands...