Molehill
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This level of sense is in danger of killing off what could be an ATG of ATG threads.
I must rectify.....
Batting wise - spot on!!
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Is James Anderson an ATG test bowler?
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I must rectify.....
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
India Schmindia - You're completely ignoring the fact Anderson has 320 more Test Wickets than Marshall. There are different ways to be ATG's, Anderson being the top wicket taking seamer of all time (and unlikely to ever be beaten frankly) gives him an automatic pass to this select group.
Fuller Pilch
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True
TheJediBrah
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Eh . . . play for England so 20 Tests per year . . . be pretty good but not that good . . . have no life so don't retire like a normal person just keep playing cricket . . . Automatic ATG status earned for #longevity
bagapath
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possible argument... use longevity... use whatever...
don't say his india record is good
bagapath
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is that what you got from my post?
I said his NZ record is bad but he is an ATG for all other reasons
So build an ATG argument for Anderson accepting his bad India record, rather than pretending his india record is fine (which is as stupid as claiming Marshall's NZ record is not a weakness). Got it?
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
So easy to pick holes in this:
Name a seamer in the past who could even contemplate 20 Tests a year (it's not that many in general anyway). He's averaging about 10 a year since becoming a regular. Even that amount has proven way too many for most - let alone doing it for 16 years.
No life? He's a single figure golf handicap, is part of the most successful cricket podcast on these shores and regularly watches Burnley play football (not to mention the wife and kids). Think he's quite into his music too.
700 wickets - read 'em and weep.
Nintendo
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You don't have to include the whole India perspective to draw a conclusion? In the peak period I mentioned he's averaging 27 in India.
Like I said in my previous posts. If you choose to weigh him down heavily for the performances outside his peak that's fair. I just think we need to acknowledge the fact that for half of his career he performed as well as Lillie, Cummins, and plenty of other guys who most consider ATG's while taking as many wickets as them.
ankitj
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"Here's your ATG award sir"
"But . . . I didn't even average under 25 and was mediocre in conditions that didn't suit me. And I was worse than mediocre in the Ashes, the only cricket that really counts. And I barely even played white-ball so I could focus on Tests and still wasn't that good"
"Sir, it's ok. You play for England remember?"
"Oh yeah of course, hahaha"
"hahahahaha"
*Paul Collingwood enters the chat with his MBE hanging around his neck*
"But . . . I didn't even average under 25 and was mediocre in conditions that didn't suit me. And I was worse than mediocre in the Ashes, the only cricket that really counts. And I barely even played white-ball so I could focus on Tests and still wasn't that good"
"Sir, it's ok. You play for England remember?"
"Oh yeah of course, hahaha"
"hahahahaha"
*Paul Collingwood enters the chat with his MBE hanging around his neck*
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Whoops....
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He's actually played the exact same number of ODI's as Warne, 24 fewer wickets but better SR.
ankitj
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Until this point I thought you were talking about Shane Warne
Socerer 01
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this is literally all thats been done for the ancient players that get wanked off here constantly as atgs
Socerer 01
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**** me some of the responses in this thread is turning me into an Anderson fan ffs
saying that a dude with close to 200 odis and 4 different world cup appearances barely played white ball cricket is disingenuous as ****
saying that a dude with close to 200 odis and 4 different world cup appearances barely played white ball cricket is disingenuous as ****
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Only 21 bowlers have taken more ODI wickets than Anderson, and of those 21, only 3 have played less matches (Donald, Saqlain and the surprise package of Agarkar). He had a SR better than Wasim (significantly better than Pollock and Vaas) and just below McGrath.
But yeah, barely played white ball and not much good at it either.
TheJediBrah
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His last ODI was in 2015 ffs. Literally gone 9 years with nothing but Tests to focus on. Of course it's going to help with his lOnGeViTy. How you miss the point this badly
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
But isn't the point that he's already had a decent ODI career - may not be saying that much, but he remains England's leading wicket taker in that form too. And only 21 in the world have taken more wickets. Plenty of others could have retired after 13 years of ODI's to concentrate on Tests - so why don't they have 700 Test wickets?
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You're inferring what you want to hear, I never said he wasn't good at ODIs. I thought the point, which you seem to concur with here, was obvious but turns out I can still be surprised.