Is Boycott closer to Kallis or Sehwag?

[Chin Music]

Given the performance of the other batsmen in the side in that innings I’d say he more likely saved them a match.

136 off 217 (SR 62.7) to build to a total of just 185 for England to chase. Very unfair to blame him for that draw. And yet AB’s innings is more praised.. 109 off 169 (SR 64.5) If he attacks more and gets out when AB does they have 15 more overs to get 40 less runs.

It is one that I actually remember a good deal more. It was disappointing at the time because I felt that a batsman of his calibre had the ability to take measured risk to perhaps get them to a declarable total different. This is where such a comparison is subjective and you can't really use stats alone. I just about remember the fag end of Boycott's career and remember pretty much all of Kallis's although I didn't watch him so much in say his first few years given I didn't have satellite tv. If you talk around all round batting ability, then yes I do believe that Kallis was better, but I feel that he didn't do quite so well against the toughest opponents, which is why I think that Boycott is a bit closer to him than averages do justice, because of his success rate against the best bowlers. He really was England's biggest hope with the bat in his time, because he was reliable in a way that the sublime Gower wasn't.

 

[Chin Music]

Definitely not fast but for most of his career he was around 50 which is pretty healthy IMO. I prefer it to Boycott’s 35 personally.

I'm sorry but that is a disingenuous use of 'around 50' when his career s/r was 45.97. Sure there is a gap and in fairness Kallis didn't really differentiate in opponents in terms of s/r but no surprise that both Banglas and Zim feature s/r closer to 50 than the others. Again, a different era in terms of expected scoring rates and Boycott was an opener.

 

[shortpitched713]

If you think Sehwag is better than Boycott, then vote for Sehwag

Boycott overrated as a player.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I'm sorry but that is a disingenuous use of 'around 50' when his career s/r was 45.97. Sure there is a gap and in fairness Kallis didn't really differentiate in opponents in terms of s/r but no surprise that both Banglas and Zim feature s/r closer to 50 than the others. Again, a different era in terms of expected scoring rates and Boycott was an opener.

I said for most of his career(2002-2013) he was around 50 which is true. Big difference from Boycott’s 35.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Boycott overrated as a player.

Only on CW tbf. He’s not rated that highly outside of CW because of his average. Most people outside would CW would probably rate Sehwag and Hayden over him.

I think part of the reason Boycott gets overrated is that England haven’t produced any top tier ATG batsmen(or bowlers) since the 1950s.

 

[Johan]

Cricketting circles outside CW would probably unironically make a case for Hayden>Gavaskar based on averages.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Cricketting circles outside CW would probably unironically make a case for Hayden>Gavaskar based on averages.

I think Gavaskar is universally accepted to be an ATG and a tier or two above Hayden/Sehwag/Boycott.

If Gavaskar averaged sub 50, then maybe he wouldn’t be rated so high tho.

 

[Johan]

I think Gavaskar is universally accepted to be an ATG and a tier or two above Hayden/Sehwag/Boycott.

If Gavaskar averaged sub 50, then maybe he wouldn’t be rated so high tho.

the 50 avg is a shiny tag yeah, but Hayden also has that, in general 90s and 2000s players are way overrated outside of CW imo, the resultant of most people online being kids who watched people like Hayden/Martyn/Smith/Cook bat, thus having greater memories of them.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yea that makes sense. I think a players’ rating usually drops after the careers are over if their average is sub 50 (Neil Harvey is a good example). Have to be end above 50 to be rated in the top echelon for most people.

 

[ma1978]

Well he’s worse than Sehwag and a lot worse than Kallis. He’s about as good as Glenn Turner

 

[Chin Music]

I said for most of his career(2002-2013) he was around 50 which is true. Big difference from Boycott’s 35.

I'm sorry but I really find that an odd period for you to use to try and hype of Kallis's s/r in this way given that it was probably only his first couple of years where he struggled as a batsman. I am not disputing that he's a better player than Boycott only that the gap isn't as big as some might think as Boycott achieved better against the better bowling attacks, which is something that if anything Kallis didn't do quite so well across his career and accentuating a scoring rate difference I find a little strange to say the least.

 

[Johan]

Well he’s worse than Sehwag and a lot worse than Kallis. He’s about as good as Glenn Turner

Sehwag is below Cook who is about on par with Gooch and probably a little inferior, who is inferior to Boyc in turn.

 

[ma1978]

Sehwag is below Cook who is about on par with Gooch and probably a little inferior, who is inferior to Boyc in turn.

I rate Cook very highly and probably on par with Sehwag

Gooch was a very mediocre player with a very good peak

Sehwag won more matches for his team than any of these guys combined

 

[Johan]

I rate Cook very highly and probably on par with Sehwag

Gooch was a very mediocre player with a very good peak

Sehwag won more matches for his team than any of these guys combined

Cook, as an English Batsmen led us to victories in Australia AND India

How many matches did Sehwag win india in Australia or England?

plus, Sehwag isn't much of a match winner, only 8 of his 23 centuries are in wins.

 

[shortpitched713]

Cricketting circles outside CW would probably unironically make a case for Hayden>Gavaskar based on averages.

Too far, even for me.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Cook, as an English Batsmen led us to victories in Australia AND India

How many matches did Sehwag win india in Australia or England?

Make a Sehwag vs Cook poll I guess

 

[Johan]

Make a Sehwag vs Cook poll I guess

probably exists

 

[Coronis]

Too far, even for me.

But Hayden > Tendulkar is fine

 

[shortpitched713]

But Hayden > Tendulkar is fine

Nah, I think they're same tier.

Gavaskar above both, as a Test batsman only.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I'm sorry but I really find that an odd period for you to use to try and hype of Kallis's s/r in this way given that it was probably only his first couple of years where he struggled as a batsman. I am not disputing that he's a better player than Boycott only that the gap isn't as big as some might think as Boycott achieved better against the better bowling attacks, which is something that if anything Kallis didn't do quite so well across his career and accentuating a scoring rate difference I find a little strange to say the least.

Agree to disagree. Boycott was a very good player(like Pietersen/Cook/Kane) but Kallis was an all time great IMO.

I can understand why England fans rate him so highly tho.