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Ireland and Test Cricket and Full Member status

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
The ECB removing Irish players ability/right to play county cricket as locals is the most absurd unintended consequence of getting test status.

Now, I know Giles Clarke was outright evil, and Weston seems all about money too. It wouldn't be hard to change. Especially as brexit means the kolpak pressure has been relieved.

It is not only Irish players having their options reduced (and Irish Cricket having their development costs increased exponentially), it also cuts out English, Australian, South African, kiwi guys with surnames like Quinn, Dunn, McGrath etc from playing county cricket and playing for Ireland (for those who may potentially be within grandparent range, Irish migration uis ld so many arent).
 

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
Why should test cricket be limited to the 10 national teams that are best at it? It's a bizarre and unsightly stain on the cricketing community that so much of it thinks this way. You might hear football fans saying that weak teams should have to go through pre-qualifiers for major tournaments, or that they should only play each other. But they never say they should only be allowed to play 7-a-side because that's where they're more competitive. Posting something like that would correctly be considered a filthy troll.

Ireland receiving an unfairly high amount of funding is just a consequence of this elitist view of the sport. You either don't get to play, or we need to pay you enormous amounts of money so that you can compete with the 6 or 7 cricketing superpowers. If you want to play, you need to show us that you're good enough for ten years first, at which point it's time for your best players to retire. It's the most absurd structure. Literally every sport has nations at a level where they produce a competitive generation of players once every 50 years or so. Do any of them manage it worse than cricket?
this doesn't alleviate Cricket Ireland from getting a chunk of money ostensibly to fund their Test quality team and then churning it into an international programme filled with mainly T20Is though

also playing England is a red herring here, England and Ireland play much more than eg India and Bangladesh, surely they would be better trying to focus their effort on trying to graft themselves onto the existing tours of England (especially the "lesser Test tour" of an English summer)
 

Flem274*

123/5
I don't think Ireland get too much money, I think the Associates don't get enough.

The problem with cricket is not that we are run by CEOs but that CEOs are guiding the ideology of the game. It is not enough to make a lot of money, boards must make all the money then hoard it for themselves. This is why even the smaller boards like NZC are going full evil and trying to turn NZ into a T20 only side within 20-50 years. That and I am highly skeptical on how much NZC claim test matches cost them. Losing 700k on hosting one game that will take center stage around the holiday season in our national summer sport is not an indictment on test cricket but an indictment on the complete incompetence, cynicism and probable sabotage from NZC.

People will watch, and put their money into, what we perceive as interesting or valuable. Sometimes this is entirely organic from the grassroots, but we don't really acknowledge how top down imposition is almost required for grassroots interest to enter the wider public consciousness. When I was a teenager it was socially acceptable to say no one cares about women's cricket because they're not as good as men and never will be. The White Ferns won a World Cup and I couldn't tell you who was in that team. Aimee Mason was a cricketer in that decade but that's about it for what teenage Phlegm could have said.

In 2022 women's cricket has never been bigger and it is only growing. My team is knocked out but I can name the entire first choice side plus the notable players from the other teams and this world cup has been awesome. I never would have bothered to watch the White Ferns, Women's Super Smash and Women's Big Bash (the most watchable T20 competition in the world for test fans tbh) if they weren't so freely accessible to anyone with a Spark Sport or Sky account and they weren't plastered on TV all summer. I don't have time to hunt stuff down or the inclination when there are so many fun sports to watch. Since I had easy access to it for 2 years, I got hooked.

Now I know that this is almost a happy accident, since a large part of the women's game being imposed on us (I say imposed because that is what it was, even though I love it) was due to the social and political pressures of our time. I am sure with further time the womens game can become another cash cow for the CEOs, and a women's IPL imposed on the Indian public by the BCCI would absolutely explode the women's game to an extent to make the current explosion look tiny, but I am glad this accident occurred.

So then, it is pretty obvious what an ICC with genuine intentions would do to nuture the test game, but they will not because there is no external pressure to do so and in the absence of an external pressure that could threaten future profit, they will not.

It is almost certain test cricket would be even more popular, and even more profitable, than it already is if the ICC put in the work, but their current goal is a top down imposition on us that we do not like test cricket unless it is the Ashes, the Border-Gavaskar or whatever you call an India-England cripple fight these days.

The ICC full members would much prefer to tell us we cannot understand a Pakistan vs NZ test match unless it has a "context" in the World Test Championship and that we prefer T20 cricket with the occassional ODI world cup. They definitely do not think we ever want to watch Ireland or The Netherlands play New Zealand in a test match, because while they understand a lot of people enjoy watching test cricket for its own sake and I don't need Ireland or the Netherlands to be competitive or contextualised to find them interesting, they would much rather we pay, advertisers pay and broadcasters pay for 3 T20 matches in the same timeframe as one test match takes. I was really looking forward to our Ireland test match, and last year I wanted NZ to tour there after the WTC final as both something fun and it would give at least some of the 9 players who did not play the final a reward for being part of the squad.

I will be fair and say I like the WTC because leagues and finals are fun and I think it was a genuine attempt to draw in new fans, but I did not need it to find test cricket enjoyable and test cricket does not need it to expand if actual work is done. It is a fun competition though.
 

Flem274*

123/5
I don't think Ireland get too much money, I think the Associates don't get enough.

The problem with cricket is not that we are run by CEOs but that CEOs are guiding the ideology of the game. It is not enough to make a lot of money, boards must make all the money then hoard it for themselves. This is why even the smaller boards like NZC are going full evil and trying to turn NZ into a T20 only side within 20-50 years. That and I am highly skeptical on how much NZC claim test matches cost them. Losing 700k on hosting one game that will take center stage around the holiday season in our national summer sport is not an indictment on test cricket but an indictment on the complete incompetence, cynicism and probable sabotage from NZC.

People will watch, and put their money into, what we perceive as interesting or valuable. Sometimes this is entirely organic from the grassroots, but we don't really acknowledge how top down imposition is almost required for grassroots interest to enter the wider public consciousness. When I was a teenager it was socially acceptable to say no one cares about women's cricket because they're not as good as men and never will be. The White Ferns won a World Cup and I couldn't tell you who was in that team. Aimee Mason was a cricketer in that decade but that's about it for what teenage Phlegm could have said.

In 2022 women's cricket has never been bigger and it is only growing. My team is knocked out but I can name the entire first choice side plus the notable players from the other teams and this world cup has been awesome. I never would have bothered to watch the White Ferns, Women's Super Smash and Women's Big Bash (the most watchable T20 competition in the world for test fans tbh) if they weren't so freely accessible to anyone with a Spark Sport or Sky account and they weren't plastered on TV all summer. I don't have time to hunt stuff down or the inclination when there are so many fun sports to watch. Since I had easy access to it for 2 years, I got hooked.

Now I know that this is almost a happy accident, since a large part of the women's game being imposed on us (I say imposed because that is what it was, even though I love it) was due to the social and political pressures of our time. I am sure with further time the womens game can become another cash cow for the CEOs, and a women's IPL imposed on the Indian public by the BCCI would absolutely explode the women's game to an extent to make the current explosion look tiny, but I am glad this accident occurred.

So then, it is pretty obvious what an ICC with genuine intentions would do to nuture the test game, but they will not because there is no external pressure to do so and in the absence of an external pressure that could threaten future profit, they will not.

It is almost certain test cricket would be even more popular, and even more profitable, than it already is if the ICC put in the work, but their current goal is a top down imposition on us that we do not like test cricket unless it is the Ashes, the Border-Gavaskar or whatever you call an India-England cripple fight these days.

The ICC full members would much prefer to tell us we cannot understand a Pakistan vs NZ test match unless it has a "context" in the World Test Championship and that we prefer T20 cricket with the occassional ODI world cup. They definitely do not think we ever want to watch Ireland or The Netherlands play New Zealand in a test match, because while they understand a lot of people enjoy watching test cricket for its own sake and I don't need Ireland or the Netherlands to be competitive or contextualised to find them interesting, they would much rather we pay, advertisers pay and broadcasters pay for 3 T20 matches in the same timeframe as one test match takes. I was really looking forward to our Ireland test match, and last year I wanted NZ to tour there after the WTC final as both something fun and it would give at least some of the 9 players who did not play the final a reward for being part of the squad.

I will be fair and say I like the WTC because leagues and finals are fun and I think it was a genuine attempt to draw in new fans, but I did not need it to find test cricket enjoyable and test cricket does not need it to expand if actual work is done. It is a fun competition though.
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Immenso

International Vice-Captain

Niall

International Coach
I had proposed this idea earlier but I just wish that it comes true in future.

Any team that plays England, South Africa or Ind/Pak/SL/BD for a test series go to Ireland/Zimbabwe/Afghanistan respectively first for a single test with them. Gives exposure and tests to those countries and it also helps the major test teams acclimatize in a competitive environment before they face a strong team in their own den.
That sounds lovely, but its not practical in this world.

Unless its India or England, Ireland will lose serious money hosting tests and to top it off they will likely get pummeled

Where would the money come from? Their would be minimal broadcast interest and you won't get many people in the ground and if it rains as it always does in Ireland then you may even have to refund some tickets.

Test cricket is a dead duck in Ireland sadly. ?
 

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
That sounds lovely, but its not practical in this world.

Unless its India or England, Ireland will lose serious money hosting tests and to top it off they will likely get pummeled

Where would the money come from? Their would be minimal broadcast interest and you won't get many people in the ground and if it rains as it always does in Ireland then you may even have to refund some tickets.

Test cricket is a dead duck in Ireland sadly. ?
What do you mean where would the money come from??

They are now getting extra ICC direct funding (40 to 60m USD over 8 years) because they are now test status. This money should be used for, you know, the costs of playing and hosting test matches.

Otherwise they should return to associate status and the lower funding level.

They are cheating the system. The ICC has picked them as a winner able to graduate to test status and funded them (almost) accordingly. But Cricket Ireland are using that money just to try and widen the white ball gap between themselves and the associates they were formally funded the same as.

No tests for 3 years.
No domestic red ball for 2 years, likely 3 based on their released schedule. (But white ball comps cancelled only in 2020).
1 single red ball game by Ireland A in 2 years.
 

cnerd123

likes this
Yea the money isn't the problem. Ireland cricket had financial troubles for a while, with the CEO putting in some of his own cash into it IIRC, but recently they have clearly prioritized white-ball success.

And TBF that's the ICC's fault as well. Ireland get nothing from playing Test cricket, but if they let their white ball performances slip they find themselves not playing in World Cups. If they want to keep appearing at major global events they need to keep winning ranked ODIs/T20Is and pathway/qualification tournaments, so I can understand why they put all their resources into their white ball programmes.
 

WICFan

State 12th Man
Unless its India or England, Ireland will lose serious money hosting tests and to top it off they will likely get pummeled.
The Aussies would likely bring a good fan base with them if a Test was planned before The Ashes.

Quite a few of the supporters go to Northern Ireland in between the break in Tests for sightseeing, family etc.
 

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