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Ireland and Test Cricket and Full Member status

Niall

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I don't know about that, eventually the money and players have to come from the fans / interested populace and the Irish as far as I have heard have almost zero interest in cricket apart from some very small pockets here and there.
Nobody in Ireland cares about cricket, its Soccer, Rugby , GAA(irish version of Aussie rules if lazy) and then cricket competes with the rest for attention.

Test cricket for Ireland is a waste of time sadly. Firstly they will always be rubbish as they will never play the amount of games to be competitive as nobody wants to play them in the format as sadly for everyone bar the top 3 its an unprofitable format.

They struggle to get series against the top test sides, so its totally understandable the rare times they do they want to play the 2 formats which make money and they are somewhat competitive in.
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
Nobody in Ireland cares about cricket, its Soccer, Rugby , GAA(irish version of Aussie rules if lazy) and then cricket competes with the rest for attention.

Test cricket for Ireland is a waste of time sadly. Firstly they will always be rubbish as they will never play the amount of games to be competitive as nobody wants to play them in the format as sadly for everyone bar the top 3 its an unprofitable format.

They struggle to get series against the top test sides, so its totally understandable the rare times they do they want to play the 2 formats which make money and they are somewhat competitive in.

Yeah, agree. Test cricket is really only gonna be successful in countries with a half decent cricket following.
 

Niall

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Yeah, agree. Test cricket is really only gonna be successful in countries with a half decent cricket following.
Yep the market is not their for test cricket sadly in Ireland. Its tough enough to get fans to care about limited overs cricket sadly and that's the format they are the most competitive in. ?

The players also who used to play in the county championship lost a lot of their contracts when they got test cricket because they could no longer be classified as "local players" and were then counted as overseas player which obviously meant they had much more competition to get a contract which is not ideal and obviously you need to be playing as much decent domestic cricket as you can to improve etc.
 
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cnerd123

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Yeah, agree. Test cricket is really only gonna be successful in countries with a half decent cricket following.
The inherent flawed assumption when people say this is that test cricket isn't capable of creating new fans.

Enough businessmen-turned-administrators think this nonsense, we don't need actual cricket fans believing this BS too. Test cricket is a quality sport in it's own right, and if marketed well is capable of attracting new fans to the sport. It doesn't need a following to exist, it needs to exist to create a following.
 

srbhkshk

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The inherent flawed assumption when people say this is that test cricket isn't capable of creating new fans.

Enough businessmen-turned-administrators think this nonsense, we don't need actual cricket fans believing this BS too. Test cricket is a quality sport in it's own right, and if marketed well is capable of attracting new fans to the sport. It doesn't need a following to exist, it needs to exist to create a following.
Give one example of this actually happening.
 

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Why should test cricket be limited to the 10 national teams that are best at it? It's a bizarre and unsightly stain on the cricketing community that so much of it thinks this way. You might hear football fans saying that weak teams should have to go through pre-qualifiers for major tournaments, or that they should only play each other. But they never say they should only be allowed to play 7-a-side because that's where they're more competitive. Posting something like that would correctly be considered a filthy troll.

Ireland receiving an unfairly high amount of funding is just a consequence of this elitist view of the sport. You either don't get to play, or we need to pay you enormous amounts of money so that you can compete with the 6 or 7 cricketing superpowers. If you want to play, you need to show us that you're good enough for ten years first, at which point it's time for your best players to retire. It's the most absurd structure. Literally every sport has nations at a level where they produce a competitive generation of players once every 50 years or so. Do any of them manage it worse than cricket?
 

Lillian Thomson

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I don’t have an issue with any countries having Test status. The days of having to be a certain standard are long gone. Sri Lanka were kept waiting a very long time. Even in the 60’s while still Ceylon they were far stronger than Ireland are likely to be in the foreseeable future. It all takes time. It took England about 50 years before they went on a proper tour of New Zealand instead of tagging a couple of Tests on to the end of an Ashes tour.
 

srbhkshk

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Uh, literally everywhere that cricket is popular is a place where cricket used to not be popular and is now popular? God didn't spend the 8th day creating India and Australia with a fully-formed love of test cricket.
I obviously am not asking for places where cricket got popular in the pre-historic times because of them being British colonies or very closely linked to British colonies. I somehow suspect that model is not going to work any more.

The only notable country which was not a colony and developed a cricket following was Afghanistan and they did so only when the country was torn in pieces and millions had to flood to Pakistan.

There are Zero countries where cricket has gotten popular because of any actual marketing.
 

cnerd123

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The 'Full Member' nonsense was only introduced as a political tool anyways. Once the ICC put 'growing the game' on it's todo list, the powers to be wrote that in to ensure that they got to control sport no matter how popular it got.

I obviously am not asking for places where cricket got popular in the pre-historic times because of them being British colonies or very closely linked to British colonies. I somehow suspect that model is not going to work any more.

The only notable country which was not a colony and developed a cricket following was Afghanistan and they did so only when the country was torn in pieces and millions had to flood to Pakistan.
If you rule out 'people who know the game going to teach a local population' as a way of growing the sport, then yea, it's impossible to grow. What kind of nonsense logic is that? Every sport ever has spread via expats (sometimes colonizers) teaching the local population.

There are Zero countries where cricket has gotten popular because of any actual marketing.
A) This is just blatantly ignorant. Thailand women have played in the world cup (and should be playing in this one), while Japan U19 qualified for the U19 WC as well. Their teams were made up with players who learnt the game in their country. Nepal has a massive cricket fanbase, PNG is comprised of entirely local players, as are teams like Vanuatu and Uganda who are currently on World Cup pathways. Brazil has an entirely professional women's team setup now too, and there are top quality cricket facilities in places like Oman, Malaysia, UAE and Thailand. The sport has gained popularity in a ton of places outside the traditional nations. Bermuda has an entire weekend public holiday dedicated to celebrating an annual 2-Day cricket match between the two biggest clubs in the nation, which is broadcast live on TV and attended by thousands of fans (Google the Emancipation Day Cup Match). Cricket is good and likeable.

B) The ICC doesn't actually do any actual marketing. That's the problem. Their vision of growing the sport is limited to sending out Criiio kits to associate nation cricket boards and assigning a token amount of funding to run complicated pathway tournaments that barely have any information or coverage available on them. Even 'real' cricket fans have no ****ing idea what's going on, how do you expect non fans to learn anything? If the ICC actually cared about growing the sport, they'd host Test/ODIs/T20Is in emerging countries, have larger World Cups, assign fairer amounts of funding and let teams play Test matches if they want to. Countries like Argentina have been playing and hosting FC cricket longer than Ireland or Afghanistan have, and even Hong Kong have been playing multiday cricket vs Shanghai/Malaysia/Singapore/Thailand since the early 1900s. This is not an alien concept. The only reason the sport isn't more popular is because it suits the ICC to keep it a elite club.
 

srbhkshk

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I don't wanna argue on this too much, but if your examples of countries where cricket has gotten popular are Thailand , Japan , Brazil , then idk.

Secondly, no expats have never managed to grow cricket in any country - it's popularity has remained constrained to the expat community.
 

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I don't wanna argue on this too much, but if your examples of countries where cricket has gotten popular are Thailand , Japan , Brazil , then idk.

Secondly, no expats have never managed to grow cricket in any country - it's popularity has remained constrained to the expat community.
Why are you setting an arbitrarily high bar for what constitutes "getting popular"? More people all over the world are watching, playing, and enjoying cricket. That's valuable even if they never beat India in a test match.
 

srbhkshk

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Why are you setting an arbitrarily high bar for what constitutes "getting popular"? More people all over the world are watching, playing, and enjoying cricket. That's valuable even if they never beat India in a test match.
The bar thing is fair enough, from what I have read cricket is in no way popular in Ireland and I can't imagine it being any different in the countries cnerd mentioned. But if the bar is lower than fair enough.
 

cnerd123

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I don't wanna argue on this too much, but if your examples of countries where cricket has gotten popular are Thailand , Japan , Brazil , then idk.

Secondly, no expats have never managed to grow cricket in any country - it's popularity has remained constrained to the expat community.
literally gave you a ton of examples of the opposite, but okay ignore it.

You know why you don't believe me? Because the ICC won't let these nations play on the global stage.

Also, serious question - do you think Indians are genetically pre-disposed to liking cricket more than any race? What about white people? Or South Africans or people from the Caribbean? Why do you think they like cricket more than other nations?

Here's an idea. People in these regions have access to cricket from an early age - TV, school, radio, newspaper, etc. With the ICC not letting most of the world play cricket to a level where it gets worthy of such coverage, not having cricket at the Olympics or other major global events, and having the best cricket in the world hidden behind paywalls or inaccessible in most nations...is there any surprise why it's not popular outside of the Full Member nations?

You're acting as if everyone in the world has equal access to cricket and for some strange reason most nations are choosing to reject it. This is far from the truth.
 

srbhkshk

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literally gave you a ton of examples of the opposite, but okay ignore it.

You know why you don't believe me? Because the ICC won't let these nations play on the global stage.

Also, serious question - do you think Indians are genetically pre-disposed to liking cricket more than any race? What about white people? Or South Africans or people from the Caribbean? Why do you think they like cricket more than other nations?

Here's an idea. People in these regions have access to cricket from an early age - TV, school, radio, newspaper, etc. With the ICC not letting most of the world play cricket to a level where it gets worthy of such coverage, not having cricket at the Olympics or other major global events, and having the best cricket in the world hidden behind paywalls or inaccessible in most nations...is there any surprise why it's not popular outside of the Full Member nations?
I ignored your examples because I don't think cricket is popular in those countries.

I will ask you just one thing, Ireland has been playing the cricket World Cup - the absolute highest level of cricket for years now. In fact they even have a semi - competitive team. Why is it that the common Irish still doesn't give two ****s about cricket? Why do they choose to reject it?

(Also please don't throw in the random genetic crap , I already said all these nations grew to like cricket during colonization which is not happening again)
 

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The bar thing is fair enough, from what I have read cricket is in no way popular in Ireland and I can't imagine it being any different in the countries cnerd mentioned. But if the bar is lower than fair enough.
Cricket is of middling popularity in Ireland. I would say it's the fifth most popular team sport after soccer, Gaelic football, hurling, and rugby (though there is daylight after these four sports). It's played in most grammar schools - I was offered it but went for athletics and soccer instead. If you moved to a major Irish city tomorrow, you could easily find a cricket club to join within walking distance. My local international cricket grounds holds 6,000 and routinely sells out. Occasionally we produce a World Cup winning captain.

"In no way popular" is just wrong. It's not comparable to cricket in India, but it's not nothing either.
 

srbhkshk

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Cricket is of middling popularity in Ireland. I would say it's the fifth most popular team sport after soccer, Gaelic football, hurling, and rugby (though there is daylight after these four sports). It's played in most grammar schools - I was offered it but went for athletics and soccer instead. If you moved to a major Irish city tomorrow, you could easily find a cricket club to join within walking distance. My local international cricket grounds holds 6,000 and routinely sells out. Occasionally we produce a World Cup winning captain.

"In no way popular" is just wrong. It's not comparable to cricket in India, but it's not nothing either.

Okay then, I take back my comments. I was not aware it was popular, if it is then it's a good example of what I was asking for.
 

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Okay then, I take back my comments. I was not aware it was popular, if it is then it's a good example of what I was asking for.
I mean to an extent its popularity is post-colonial, so you're not entirely wrong there. It's become more popular in the past 20 years, but those roots gave it something to build on.

It's just a matter of where you set the bar. In any given country, almost all sports are niche. Some people here practice judo, and maybe to a Japanese person the scale of it would look so small and pathetic as to be almost pointless. To me it still seems culturally valuable. It would be very strange to describe Irish judo as a failure, even if it's barely cracking the top 50 most popular sports.
 

CricAddict

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I had proposed this idea earlier but I just wish that it comes true in future.

Any team that plays England, South Africa or Ind/Pak/SL/BD for a test series go to Ireland/Zimbabwe/Afghanistan respectively first for a single test with them. Gives exposure and tests to those countries and it also helps the major test teams acclimatize in a competitive environment before they face a strong team in their own den.
 

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I don't wanna argue on this too much, but if your examples of countries where cricket has gotten popular are Thailand , Japan , Brazil , then idk.

Secondly, no expats have never managed to grow cricket in any country - it's popularity has remained constrained to the expat community.
I think this will change, but it needs time. Expats settle and have kids who play the game. Those kids (like me and basically my entire school team) consider ourselves local. We have more ethnically local (for lack of a better term) friends who get familiar with the game through us (though I admit only a small handful ever try it out). Even my gf is regularly forced to watch games with me. Singapore recently had a local born and brought up player turn up in the Nepalese Everest Premier League and play under Afridi and Lamicchane. He got Tamim Iqbal out in a game and smashed Dhammika Prasad around the park. His dad was an expat. It works but it takes time.

It's agonizingly slow progress because the sport seems to be growing not because of the funding and efforts by the ICC but in spite of the lack of it.
 

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