Indian Premier League

[Arjun]

A team HAS to have 4 under 22 players, Arjun.

That's a silly rule. When we'd expect only the best players in the country and elsewhere to make the IPL (vis-a-vis anybody and everybody making ICL teams), we see rules like this. Even then, there isn't much of an excuse to leave out someone like Vijay.

 

[Arjun]

Raina has played in the top order for Ind .... so he has that ability

When has he played in the top order for India? At best, he's played at four, five and six. Looking at his ODI stats, he's neither got the opening skills nor the striking power. When you're stuck with four rookies and an open opening position, let the rookie opener open, or have a rookie in the middle-order and have one 'world-class batsman' open the innings. Even if you look at top T20 teams' openers, all of them are regular openers or proven strikers (Sehwag, Gambhir, Hayden, Gilchrist, Salman Butt, Afridi) and not mere middle-order batsmen promoted to open for want of options.

 

[Arjun]

GMR running Delhi like a PILCOM doesn't deserve any attention. Watch them lose three matches in a row, and then they'll realise their mistake. There's McGrath, then daylight, then these local or near-local counterparts.

 

[Arjun]

Now I'm finding squads of twenty on the Wikipedia pages of these teams, and just fourteen or fifteen on Cricinfo. Can someone clear this scene? That would make the Kolkata puzzle so much easier.

And what do you do with the West Indians? The Gayle controversy adds a fresh puzzle, and possibly more options.

 

[ret]

When has he played in the top order for India? At best, he's played at four, five and six. Looking at his ODI stats, he's neither got the opening skills nor the striking power. When you're stuck with four rookies and an open opening position, let the rookie opener open, or have a rookie in the middle-order and have one 'world-class batsman' open the innings. Even if you look at top T20 teams' openers, all of them are regular openers or proven strikers (Sehwag, Gambhir, Hayden, Gilchrist, Salman Butt, Afridi) and not mere middle-order batsmen promoted to open for want of options.

why don't you check Raina's record and u ll find that he has played in the top order for India .... lol it's news to me that Raina hasn't got striking power .... he was selected for the CB series, iirc, which shows that he is in a good nick

 

[Foilling Around]

All this IPL and ICL stuff is just a big pile of money making vomit. So in the interest of cricket, why would anyone want to play in vomit?

Pardon my double posting, but I put this on the wrong thread first time round - I hope newbies are allowed the occasional mistake!!

Hello everyone, my first post on this forum. Following forumites with 16,000+ and 7,000+ postings is somewhat daunting!

Cricket was my first love as a sport, but my main sport now is fencing, hence the none cricket related "nom de plume". I am also a geography teacher.

Leaving aside the silly slanging matches in parts of this thread (which happen in all forums) let's look at the facts.

Cricket is a business as well as a sport and is not immune to the shifts in global power and influence. In fact I would say it it showing the way of the future.

Uncomfortable as it my be for me sitting on a sofa on a cold day in Nottingham, The future lies further east.

India and China between then contain about 37% of the World population (2.4 billion out of 6.5 billion). Add in Pakistan and Bangladesh and you have over 40% of the World Population.

Up until now those population have been so poor that they have not had the financial or political muscle to affect world events.

Even a slight rise in the average wealth of these two nations will see a massive change in the economic and political centre of the world.

The Indian Cricket League is just the start. Whether is is a good thing or a bad thing is irrelevant, you might as well debate whether sunrise is a good thing. All we can do is learn to live with it.

If you add together the populations of every other cricket playing nation on the planet (including Pakistan) it would not even get to 50% of the popultation of India - and by all accounts Cricket dominates the sporting climate of that country.

20:20 cricket is the game for the modern generation. In the "more developed" world children are losing the ability to concentrate on tasks. The "entertain me" generation are brought up on interactive TV, video games, fast food and ipods - all things with high levels of sensory input. They are losing the ability to entertain themselves and concentrate on something a long drawn out as 50 over cricket - never mind the 4 and 5 day game.

I hope this helps the debate and I would urge everyone to keep the racial card in their back pocket.

 

[Arjun]

why don't you check Raina's record and u ll find that he has played in the top order for India .... lol it's news to me that Raina hasn't got striking power .... he was selected for the CB series, iirc, which shows that he is in a good nick

Raina's often played at four/five/six in his ODI appearances, without much success. If it's news to you that he has no striking power, that was a principal reason why the Indians were out early in the Champions Trophy, as his lack of power weakened the Indians in the final overs in Mohali. He was selected for the CB series, but didn't even get a match, even when there was a chance.

 

[Manee]

I was watching South Africa Vs India and interestingly, Graham Thorpe noted that Anil Kumble spoke to him about joining the IPL, to which he refused.

 

[sideshowtim]

Lol. No way Thorpe would've got picked up.

 

[Manee]

Lol. No way Thorpe would've got picked up.

He may have been joking, but he sounded dead serious when he said that Kumble was asking him. This was over some clips of Kumble talking to Thorpe earlier today.

Here are some IPL statistics (I'm bored):

"BCCI is in the process of overtaking England's ECB as the richest national cricket board, with an income of Rs 650 crore for 2006/07, compared to the ECB's income of £77 million in 2006 (Rs 665 crore at the 31 December 2006 exchange rate):" Credit wikipedia.

In total, they have/will earned:
- £365 million from the IPL's team contracts over 10 years;
- £25 million from DLF as official sponsor (DLF IPL) over 5 years
- £11 million from Hero Honda as associate sponer over 5 years
- £6 million from Pepsi as official drink (shared among franchises) over 5 years
- £13 million from Kingfisher Airlines as umpire partner over 5 years

40% of the latter four go to the IPL which is £22 million to the IPL + £365 mil from purchase of franchises = £387 million which is over five times their 2006/7 earnings.

 

[chaminda_00]

Thorpe would have been approached as coach or atleast a batting coach. He is the assistant coach of NSW ATM.

 

[Manee]

Thorpe would have been approached as coach or atleast a batting coach. He is the assistant coach of NSW ATM.

He said he turned it down because he has not played cricket in so long.

 

[ret]

Raina's often played at four/five/six in his ODI appearances, without much success. If it's news to you that he has no striking power, that was a principal reason why the Indians were out early in the Champions Trophy, as his lack of power weakened the Indians in the final overs in Mohali. He was selected for the CB series, but didn't even get a match, even when there was a chance.

I will say two good things abt Raina while you will say 2 bad which doesn't add any value to the discussion .... the point is that he has played in the top order, has the striking abilities [the last ODI series against Eng in Ind is a proof] and was selected in the CB series, ahead of some of the others you want to open with

Lastly, he was out of the Ind team coz he was playing badly, a thing that reflects in striking abilities .... i hope that you can understand the relation b/w the two .... There is little point in bringing out the past when he is identified as someone with the potential and was selected ahead of many for the CB series

Let's take the top 7 that you suggested:

Hayden
Aniruddha
Badrinath
Raina
Hussey
Dhoni (WK)
Oram (RM)

I would remove the Aniruddha and Badri from the top order .... push Raina up the order, a thing that he has done in the past for Ind, have Hussey at 3, Dhoni at 4 and Oram and 5 .... that will give Chennai a better option of utlizing the 20 overs

 

[chaminda_00]

Badrinath > Raina. The Indian selectors are just ****ed.

Raina only makes the Indian side as specialist fielder. He can still field batting down at 6 or 7.

 

[ret]

Badrinath > Raina. The Indian selectors are just ****ed.

Raina only makes the Indian side as specialist fielder. He can still field batting down at 6 or 7.

I would back Raina to do well .... and think he is good enough to walk into the SL side

Badri can come in at 6, and then depending up on who is in better form, things can be shuffeled or swaped .... but i would definately start out with Raina in the top order

 

[chaminda_00]

I would back Raina to do well .... and think he is good enough to walk into the SL side

Badri can come in at 6, and then depending up on who is in better form, things can be shuffeled or swaped .... but i would definately start out with Raina in the top order

Badrinath would walk into the SL yes. He one of best batsmen outside Test cricket, if not the best.

Raina has played 30 odd ODIs and averages under 30. There no way he would walk into the SL side. Yeah he got a decent FC record, but really its just par compared to most Indian batsmen.

Regardless he is best playing as finisher not a top order batsmen. There is plenty of better option then him to bat in the top order for Chennai then Raina.

 

[Manee]

Badrinath would walk into the SL yes. He one of best batsmen outside Test cricket, if not the best.

There wss a point that I believed that, but it appears that he may just be a very effective flat track bully - it would seem that he seemed to always fail in the low scoring games toward the latter half of the season.

 

[ret]

Badrinath would walk into the SL yes. He one of best batsmen outside Test cricket, if not the best.

Raina has played 30 odd ODIs and averages under 30. There no way he would walk into the SL side. Yeah he got a decent FC record, but really its just par compared to most Indian batsmen.

Regardless he is best playing as finisher not a top order batsmen. There is plenty of better option then him to bat in the top order for Chennai then Raina.

I would like to see how Raina has developed since getting dropped, Since he was selected for the CB series, I would like to assume that things are moving in the right direction for him

and I won't count my chicken before they hatch and term Badri as one of the best when he has not played international cricket yet [remember what happened to Hick] .... hold your horses, buddy

 

[ret]

Mumbai pick up exciting Ronchi for three years

that could solve Mumbai's overseas players puzzle

All-rounders ----> Jayasuriya & Pollock
Bowlers ----> Malinga or Fernando
WK ----> Ronchi

Ronchi, who has a strike-rate of 176.97 in his 12 abbreviated matches, is looking forward to joining them. "I can't wait to get over there and start training with the likes of Tendulkar and Jayasuriya and try to gain as much as I can from the wealth of experience they possess," Ronchi said.

 

[chaminda_00]

I would like to see how Raina has developed since getting dropped, Since he was selected for the CB series, I would like to assume that things are moving in the right direction for him

and I won't count my chicken before they hatch and term Badri as one of the best when he has not played international cricket yet [remember what happened to Hick] .... hold your horses, buddy

Difference is the ages between Hick and Badrinath. Hick was still learning his game when he got selected. Badrinath knows his game in side out.

The thing with Raina he really wasn't given enough time in domestic cricket to really work on the issues he had with his game. I would be surprised if he improved much. Personally I think he only got selected due to youth policy. The fact Twiray(sp) played ahead of him when Yuraj was injuried says a fair bit for me. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dropped next ODI series for one of U19 batsmen or Rahane.