Indian players racially abused at SCG

[Spark]

but there's an enormous difference between the two situations simply of the virtue that CA are the hosts, and by the basic rules of common sense are responsible for being, you know, a good host. ensuring that the environment isn't wrecked for the guests by dickheads is CA's responsibility.

you can sort of say that maybe CSA were pitiful and slippery in how they dealt with the very obvious crowd abuse of warner in particular in 2018 but like... okay? no one is holding up CSA as a model to be emulated, and nor does it have any bearing on how CA or the BCCI should deal with this today. relitigating that changes absolutely nothing about this incident.

plus there's all the other context, namely that this series has been played in very good spirit on-field and that series, well, wasn't, and the aus team under smith already had a terrible reputation and burned most of their credits wrt benefit of the doubt. you can complain about that being unfair, but it's true and it's only human.

edit: and just to reiterate, i felt strongly that CSA was very slippery in how they dealt with the aftermath of that first test, in particular rabada getting off his ban and no action being taken to control the crowds.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

CSA are a truly diabolical organisation, they did pretty much jack **** and yet that is still better than I expected from them

 

[Howsie]

Bit apropos of nothing, but would have been nice if CA had a similar stance on player treatment when their own players were being relentlessly abused in South Africa rather than leave them to the wolves and then when they crack ban them for a year for an offense that barely usually gets punished.

Pretty ****ed up when you think about it

Wow, they cheated because they were called names and people were wearing SBW masks. You guys crack me up ?

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Wow, they cheated because they were called names and people were wearing SBW masks. You guys crack me up ?

Not surprising that someone who has no qualms whatsoever about Scott Kuggelejin would also find the SBW masks funny

 

[stephen]

Yeah the SBW masks were the crowd attacking Warner's wife, which really isn't on. Attacking families feels very, very wrong. Almost as wrong as calling an Indian player a "brown dog". The former is dirty and disgusting behaviour, the latter is dirty and disgusting behaviour that is also wildly racist.

 

[TheJediBrah]

but there's an enormous difference between the two situations simply of the virtue that CA are the hosts, and by the basic rules of common sense are responsible for being, you know, a good host. ensuring that the environment isn't wrecked for the guests by dickheads is CA's responsibility.

you can sort of say that maybe CSA were pitiful and slippery in how they dealt with the very obvious crowd abuse of warner in particular in 2018 but like... okay? no one is holding up CSA as a model to be emulated, and nor does it have any bearing on how CA or the BCCI should deal with this today. relitigating that changes absolutely nothing about this incident.

plus there's all the other context, namely that this series has been played in very good spirit on-field and that series, well, wasn't, and the aus team under smith already had a terrible reputation and burned most of their credits wrt benefit of the doubt. you can complain about that being unfair, but it's true and it's only human.

edit: and just to reiterate, i felt strongly that CSA was very slippery in how they dealt with the aftermath of that first test, in particular rabada getting off his ban and no action being taken to control the crowds.

As I said, it was apropos of nothing. The situations are barely related, if at all, but for some reason it's brought things together for me personally. For some reason I never really thought about the whole crowd abuse thing in SA as a big issue at the time. Just thinking in hindsight that if CA really cared so much about crowd behavior (and yes I know they're not responsible for foreign crowds) they might have supported their own players when the shoe was on the other foot.

Wow, they cheated because they were called names and people were wearing SBW masks. You guys crack me up ?

Yeah because I totally said that

 

[vicleggie]

For some reason it's really getting to me and all this stuff is reminding me of it. The same cricket board (rightfully) taking such a strong stance now was nowhere to be seen 2 years ago when their own players were the victims, until they did something wrong and then went insane with punishment. Saying that CA need to look after their own players better is an understatement. While I'm not sure the BCCI is a model board by any means at least they support and stick by their players.

Aus players weren't racially abused in South Africa.

One of the players wives did a stupid thing in a toilet cubicle, and it was brought up.

Not dissimilar to the Barmy Army bringing up a myriad of stupid things Warnie has done off field

 

[TheJediBrah]

Aus players weren't racially abused in South Africa.

Oh I guess it's ok then

 

[Howsie]

Not surprising that someone who has no qualms whatsoever about Scott Kuggelejin would also find the SBW masks funny

What Kuggelejjin apparently did, I find anything like that extremely disgusting and wrong. I just could t give a toss about it when it comes to his selection and involvement in the New Zealand squad. All the munters on here that continually post that he hasn’t shown remorse or they won’t watch if he’s involved, go get a life.

I didn’t find the SBW mask thing funny and I wasn’t implying that either. I was laughing at it being a defence over the cheating Australian displayed during the tour

 

[honestbharani]

One of the players wives did a stupid thing in a toilet cubicle, and it was brought up.

Jeez man, no need for this.

 

[Howsie]

As I said, it was apropos of nothing. The situations are barely related, if at all, but for some reason it's brought things together for me personally. For some reason I never really thought about the whole crowd abuse thing in SA as a big issue at the time. Just thinking in hindsight that if CA really cared so much about crowd behavior (and yes I know they're not responsible for foreign crowds) they might have supported their own players when the shoe was on the other foot.

Yeah because I totally said that

More or less, you said that the abuse they received over there caused them to crack and then they were banned. If you’re not talking about their cheating there what are you talking about

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

What Kuggelejjin apparently did

lol

 

[harsh.ag]

It's a good precedent that players report things to the umpires in real time and I hope all players do this more often, including the Aussies when the Barmy Army or SA fans go too personal.

 

[vicleggie]

Jeez man, no need for this.

Oh not saying it was nice that it was brought up

It was boorish and peasant like behaviour.

But she was a public figure and she chose to do it. No different from Warnie.

Siraj and Bumrah were born brown.

 

[Howsie]

lol

Hey not guilty. I’m not saying anything differently on a public forum

 

[stephen]

What Kuggelejjin apparently did, I find anything like that extremely disgusting and wrong. I just could t give a toss about it when it comes to his selection and involvement in the New Zealand squad. All the munters on here that continually post that he hasn’t shown remorse or they won’t watch if he’s involved, go get a life.

I didn’t find the SBW mask thing funny and I wasn’t implying that either. I was laughing at it being a defence over the cheating Australian displayed during the tour

I don't think it's a defense, but given all the other **** that went down on that tour - the hallway altercation, Rabada getting off Scott free, Faf getting away with ball tampering in Australia and the general hostility that the Australians experienced there it was just another straw for the camel's back.

It's telling that cricket Australia have a history of not defending their players but sticking up for foreign boards. Cricket Australia hung Andrew Symonds out to dry in 2008, didn't defend their players in 2018 and then gave them the largest penalties in the history of sport for something that was considered a minor infraction in the laws at the time. And this was coming off the back of a long and bitter struggle over player compensation, a fight that CA picked and lost.

 

[Howsie]

I don't think it's a defense, but given all the other **** that went down on that tour - the hallway altercation, Rabada getting off Scott free, Faf getting away with ball tampering in Australia and the general hostility that the Australians experienced there it was just another straw for the camel's back.

It's telling that cricket Australia have a history of not defending their players but sticking up for foreign boards. Cricket Australia hung Andrew Symonds out to dry in 2008, didn't defend their players in 2018 and then gave them the largest penalties in the history of sport for something that was considered a minor infraction in the laws at the time. And this was coming off the back of a long and bitter struggle over player compensation, a fight that CA picked and lost.

Of course it’s not a defense. Just think of all the cricketers over the past 30 years that have been abused by the Australian cricket team and crowd, how many of them decided ‘ah **** it you know what I’m going to blatantly cheat here’ Exactly. It was a toxic team full of sore losers lead by the biggest one of the lot.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Am I missing something? Australia defended their players in the 2018 series against the crowd abuse plenty. They spent days talking about it, wrote a letter to the CSA and everything.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Anyway, its good that TJC's "apropos of nothing" seems to have veered the thread off topic to talk about how Australia are the victims. Interesting.

 

[Spark]

Am I missing something? Australia defended their players in the 2018 series against the crowd abuse plenty. They spent days talking about it, wrote a letter to the CSA and everything.

yeah exactly. CSA's inaction was down to CSA. and it's also kind of hard to defend players when they do, you know, indefensible things