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Indian Cricket Dhaba
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Teja.
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I think it's time to call Ashwin a properly good bowler in SENA.
Between 2011 and 2015, He played 9 tests in SENA and took 24 wickets @ 56.5.
He did not play in those conditions in 2016 and 2017.
Since 2018, he has taken 43 wickets in 12 tests @ 28.2 in SENA.
He is also improving rapidly. Since 2020, he has taken 19 wickets in 5 tests @ 25.78.
He was possibly our best bowler over the Australia tour and the WTC test including taking out Smith 3 times in 3 tests.
Between 2011 and 2015, He played 9 tests in SENA and took 24 wickets @ 56.5.
He did not play in those conditions in 2016 and 2017.
Since 2018, he has taken 43 wickets in 12 tests @ 28.2 in SENA.
He is also improving rapidly. Since 2020, he has taken 19 wickets in 5 tests @ 25.78.
He was possibly our best bowler over the Australia tour and the WTC test including taking out Smith 3 times in 3 tests.
OverratedSanity
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Hope ashwin's overseas improvement is a permanent thing now. He's been awesome in all kinds of different conditions recently. Probably ready to crown him the greatest non murali off spinner at this point.
_00_deathscar
International Regular
I don't know - Pant at 3?
_00_deathscar
International Regular
Don't need to. Washington Sundar's output in 4 tests is roughly the same as that of Virat Kohli's in 8 - under some very difficult conditions/situations too.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
Think India need to move on from both Pujara and Rahane and revamp that batting lineup. Time to give Vihari an extended run and see if he has the goods.
wouldn’t mind India going with
Rohit
Mayank/Rahul
Vihari
Kohli
Gill/rahul
Jaddu/sundar
Pant
Rahane has been a dud for so long that it’s incredible he keeps getting picked.
Think Gill is better off in middle order.
Flem274*
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I haven't seen any of the real juniors but I don't think Vihari or Shaw will score more runs than Pujara or Rahane.
India should settle down with their home decks though. They've been asked to go from meme home pitches to NZ to Aus etc. There's no respite. West Indies domestic decks and NZ 90s decks were memes and it creates speculative batsmen with zero confidence.
Plus youre sometimes evening the spinners playing field. It's low percentage home cricket.
India should settle down with their home decks though. They've been asked to go from meme home pitches to NZ to Aus etc. There's no respite. West Indies domestic decks and NZ 90s decks were memes and it creates speculative batsmen with zero confidence.
Plus youre sometimes evening the spinners playing field. It's low percentage home cricket.
HeathDavisSpeed
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One of the things that various commentators have credited for NZ's recent improvement in Test cricket has been a shift away from the NZ Test wickets of old where the ball did a lot at all stages of the match to having these wickets which are better for batting. It has meant that the bowling attack has had to diversify their skills. It might be of benefit to India in the long run to have a range of broader range of wickets at home both at international and domestic. That might make work marginally easier for the away teams, but could be of significant benefit in developing skills for away tours (notwithstanding immense victories in Australia!)
_00_deathscar
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The decks in India in general have actually been pretty good of late (I mean last 3-5 years) no? Ahmedabad test excepted - and that was arguably the ball anyway.
The other decks had enough in them - our batsmen are just **** at the moment.
The other decks had enough in them - our batsmen are just **** at the moment.
cnerd123
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India's already gone through that domestic cricket pitch revival phase, it's why we have the pace attack that we have today.
The issues with our batting aren't technical, it's mental. A combination of excessive white ball cricket and grueling schedules. Che Pu's probably the only one whose failures can be put down to technical glitches and he's been this way for most of his career. Rohit, Kohli and Rahane are all perfectly fine Test quality batsmen who just keep failing to score big runs when we need them. Pant is a madman but has been our most productive batter as of late, Gill/Agarwal/Shaw are all new and need time to develop, and Vihari is never going to be more than a 40 average batter at his best.
There is plenty of batting talent on the sidelines, the question just is if the BCCI is actually going to nurture them to be successful Test cricketers or if they are only interested in churning through fixtures for the sake of raking in broadcast deals.
The issues with our batting aren't technical, it's mental. A combination of excessive white ball cricket and grueling schedules. Che Pu's probably the only one whose failures can be put down to technical glitches and he's been this way for most of his career. Rohit, Kohli and Rahane are all perfectly fine Test quality batsmen who just keep failing to score big runs when we need them. Pant is a madman but has been our most productive batter as of late, Gill/Agarwal/Shaw are all new and need time to develop, and Vihari is never going to be more than a 40 average batter at his best.
There is plenty of batting talent on the sidelines, the question just is if the BCCI is actually going to nurture them to be successful Test cricketers or if they are only interested in churning through fixtures for the sake of raking in broadcast deals.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
All true but all have happened over a number of years now since 2005 or so. In fact, some of that credit should even go to Greg Chappell. Indian test wickets have all been very good for the most part. People just whinge coz cricket is anglospheric in the mind. A pitch where a team does not play a spinner = "a good wicket that gave something for everyone". A pitch where a team does not play a seamer = "its not cricket, OMG!!".
artvandalay
State Vice-Captain
Test mainstay Cheteshwar Pujara may possess a rock-solid defence and textbook batting technique, but his recent exploits against New Zealand in the World Test Championship (WTC) final has drawn a lot of criticism. Known for his sluggish batting approach, Pujara received major flak on social media for not putting away "bad deliveries" during his stay at the crease.
Pujara managed only eight runs in 54 deliveries in the first innings of the match. In fact, it took 36 balls to score his first runs at the marquee clash. The No.3 batsman had a mediocre outing in the second innings too, scoring 80-ball 15 before falling prey to Kyle Jamieson. To make things worse,
Pujara even botched up a Ross Taylor catch in slips while New Zealand were inching closer to the fourth-innings target of 139.
Veteran South Africa pacer Dale Steyn believes the Saurashtra batsman has lost his ability to play on his back foot, resulting in a dearth of runs. Pujara's last Test century came in January 2019, during India's historic series win in Australia.
"Out of my memory, I just remember Pujara playing great off his legs. Very, very good off his legs, and eyes underneath the ball. But I do remember him playing some magical cut shots and backfoot drives.
"Maybe on pitches that are a little bit quicker and Indian wickets are not quick he played some beautiful balls underneath his eyes through the cover. It's a part of the game that I feel he has lost," Steyn said on ESPNCricinfo.
Steyn also said that Pujara would've escaped Jamieson's wicket-taking delivery if he was more on his backfoot while punching it away.
"That shot he played today, if he was in a better position, a couple of years maybe, he would have gotten more on the backfoot and punched it through the covers, whereas he just stood there half and half on his front foot. Overall, a very soft dismissal, running it down to first slip is a very peculiar way of getting out for top batters," he said.
During the course of the two-year World Test Championship (WTC) cycle, Pujara failed to notch up a ton and scored at an average of less than 30. He'll be next seen in action during India's upcoming five-Test series against England.
"That's the thing I have seen lacking in Pujara. I'm so used to him rocking onto his backfoot and playing with his hands and good feet movement. He's kind of lost that part of his game. And if you're only hanging on the front foot, good bowlers will not bowl half-volleys to you.
"And you've got to turn good balls into good shots. That's the difference between Test cricket and First-Class cricket. He's missing out on a lot of runs there," Steyn further said
Link- https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...tc-final-between-india-and-new-zealand-714319
Pujara managed only eight runs in 54 deliveries in the first innings of the match. In fact, it took 36 balls to score his first runs at the marquee clash. The No.3 batsman had a mediocre outing in the second innings too, scoring 80-ball 15 before falling prey to Kyle Jamieson. To make things worse,
Pujara even botched up a Ross Taylor catch in slips while New Zealand were inching closer to the fourth-innings target of 139.
Veteran South Africa pacer Dale Steyn believes the Saurashtra batsman has lost his ability to play on his back foot, resulting in a dearth of runs. Pujara's last Test century came in January 2019, during India's historic series win in Australia.
"Out of my memory, I just remember Pujara playing great off his legs. Very, very good off his legs, and eyes underneath the ball. But I do remember him playing some magical cut shots and backfoot drives.
"Maybe on pitches that are a little bit quicker and Indian wickets are not quick he played some beautiful balls underneath his eyes through the cover. It's a part of the game that I feel he has lost," Steyn said on ESPNCricinfo.
Steyn also said that Pujara would've escaped Jamieson's wicket-taking delivery if he was more on his backfoot while punching it away.
"That shot he played today, if he was in a better position, a couple of years maybe, he would have gotten more on the backfoot and punched it through the covers, whereas he just stood there half and half on his front foot. Overall, a very soft dismissal, running it down to first slip is a very peculiar way of getting out for top batters," he said.
During the course of the two-year World Test Championship (WTC) cycle, Pujara failed to notch up a ton and scored at an average of less than 30. He'll be next seen in action during India's upcoming five-Test series against England.
"That's the thing I have seen lacking in Pujara. I'm so used to him rocking onto his backfoot and playing with his hands and good feet movement. He's kind of lost that part of his game. And if you're only hanging on the front foot, good bowlers will not bowl half-volleys to you.
"And you've got to turn good balls into good shots. That's the difference between Test cricket and First-Class cricket. He's missing out on a lot of runs there," Steyn further said
Link- https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...tc-final-between-india-and-new-zealand-714319
cnerd123
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the glaring flaw is his inability to rotate the strike to straight bowling. He's good when there is width or if it's in his pads, but anything else he's absolutely scoreless. Needs to resolve that first.
He used to only really be good at scoring heavily against spin once set, don't really recall him ever taking on pace. \
The quality of bowling India has been playing lately is a factor here too. They've been relentless even in their 3rd, 4th and 5th spells. Give Che Pu a home series vs SL or the West Indies and it'll seem like he's back to his best.
He used to only really be good at scoring heavily against spin once set, don't really recall him ever taking on pace. \
The quality of bowling India has been playing lately is a factor here too. They've been relentless even in their 3rd, 4th and 5th spells. Give Che Pu a home series vs SL or the West Indies and it'll seem like he's back to his best.
artvandalay
State Vice-Captain
he hit a high watermark in that tour of Saf in 2013 especially the Centurion test which i'm assuming is the enduring memory that Steyn has of him. Good array of backfoot scoring shots in that innings.