sayon basak
International Regular
Whom would you suggest? Hammond maybe? Or maybe someone like Headley or Pollock?
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Imran vs Wasim
- Thread starter kyear2
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I have Hammond in my first eleven so I'd definitely go for him, yeah. He can bowl fast medium stuff too which seems to be a key criteria for your middle order.
Johan
International Debutant
my second XI would be
1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Sir Walter Hammonds
4. Steven Smith
5. Brian Lara
6. Jacques Kallis
7. Alan Knott
8. Imran Khan (C)
9. Wasim Akram
10. Dale Steyn
11. Muttiah Muralitharan
so, quite a bit different lol
sayon basak
International Regular
Where would he bat? No.3 and 4 are already taken by Lara and Kallis. And Hammond never really batted at 6.I have Hammond in my first eleven so I'd definitely go for him, yeah. He can bowl fast medium stuff too which seems to be a key criteria for your middle order.
sayon basak
International Regular
How does Imran miss the first XI? And Kallis at 6? Really? He averaged some 15 there.
Johan
International Debutant
1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Donald Bradman
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. IVA Richards
6. Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist (W.K)
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Shane Warne
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Glenn McGrath
think I put Hadlee in the one spot where Imran can make it.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
If you think about this as a step up a level from Tests it makes sense to bat people 'out of position' at 5 or 6. Not many Tests 5s or 6s bat in those positions when they play domestic FC cricket.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
That's a lot of reverse lol
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
They'd never want the second new ball.
sayon basak
International Regular
Guess Smith's stature will keep dropping. Guess he may not be seen as being good enough to make the 2nd ATG XI by the time he's done.
kyear2
International Coach
kyear2
International Coach
You're literally telling him how he has to choose his team. How it has to be done
Nor only is that ridiculous, how is me pointing out that you do that with everyone and anything ridiculous.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You're overreacting.
Yeah but you give similar logic to my argument. You shouldn't object.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Smith to me is top tier. I don't get the downgrading of him. He has a better record than Lara.
kyear2
International Coach
It's everywhere but I can, and with a (hopefully) brief synopsis.
Sir Leonard Hutton (vc)
The greatest post war opener and the anchor of the batting line up. Before the war, he broke Bradman's record with the great man in his eye line and against Tiger O'Reilly. After, he cemented his greatness facing off against Lindwall and Miller and dominating as the best batsman in the world during the first live ball era of the 50's. He's the vice captain of this motley crew.
Barry Richards ^
He was the best bat in the world between Sobers and his name sake. In the modern game, no opening batsman has been able to able to match his skill set or do what he could. Destroy an attack while being able to handle the moving ball, he was one of one. He manhandled Lillee like very few could, and once scored a triple in a day. The pressure that creates is invaluable. A first rate slip catcher, he resides at 1st.
Sir Donald Bradman ©
The greatest batsman in the history of the game, and holder of the most recognizable record in cricket 99.94. Not only is he the first name on the team sheet, when Wisden named the 5 cricketers of the century, he was a unanimous selection. A rare duck in his final innings is the only reason he didn't average a century over his career. An astute and experienced captain, he leads his new Invincibles.
Sir I.V.A. Richards ^
He epitomized the WI, the pride, the fearlessness, he never wore a helmet and he never backed down. He was the greatest ever player of fast bowling and he had plenty of opportunities to prove it. He revolutionized batting and his s/r was decades ahead if it's time and he could change a game in a session. Also one of the best fielders of his era, and brilliant at 3rd slip, that's where he stands in the cordon.
Sachin Tendulkar
A prodigy, he first suited up for his country at 16, and kept that place for 24 years. He possibly had the greatest technique in the history of the game. He faced some of the greatest attacks in history and proved himself everywhere from the spinning tracks of SL, to the searing pace of SA, reverse swing in Pakistan to that marvelous combo of McWarne in Australia. He holds all of the records.
Sir Garfield Sobers ^⁵
The greatest all rounder and all round cricketer in the history of the game. Debuting as a 17 year old spinner batting at no. 8, he retired as the leading run scorer of the time. His breakthrough being one for the ages, breaking Hutton's world record. He was one of the greatest batsmen of all time, the most versatile bowler ever, capable of 3 distinct styles and one of the greats in the cordon, well everywhere really. He man's the crucial 2nd slip position as well as being the 5th bowler and 2nd name on the sheet for this team.
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
He revolutionized the wk position and was a cheat code for his team at no. 7. What could he not do, he kept expertly to as varied an attack that ever existed, including the wiles of Warne, the massive leg breaks of McGill and the extreme pace of Lee. Added to that, he was a ruthless executioner at 7 that could pile onto the score or bludgeon his way out of a disaster. Every team has been trying to find their Gilly ever since, no one has.
Wasim Akram / Imran Khan ³
The left handed wizard , the Sultan of Swing or Pakistan's greatest player. Wasim brings variety, and the acclaim of the greatest old ball bowler in the history of the game. He was one of 8 players who made both Wisden's and Cricinfo's AT teams.
Imran was the 2nd greatest all rounder of all time and the game's greatest lower order batsman. He was the first to master reverse swing and Wasim's mentor, he made Pakistan relevant.
Malcolm Marshall ¹
He was the greatest bowler in the history of the game, and there was nothing he couldn't do, to quote, he had all of the tools and knew how and when to use them. He was capable of express pace and could, when the time required, be the ultimate enforcer, or cut back his pace and mesmerize with his cutters. In between he could swing it both ways, and again, at pace. He excelled vs everyone and in all conditions. He was a very handy lower order bat.
Shane Warne ⁴
He revived a dying art, probably the most difficult in the game. His introduction to the game was the stuff of legends and Gatting had his 2nd memorable encounter with a member of this team. A master of drift and flight, he mastered the leg break and his variety of straight balls that often left the batsmen guessing. An unrelenting competitor, his encounters with Lara and Tendulkar were legendary. He too was capable with the bat.
Glenn McGrath ²
The other half of the greatest bowling duo in the history of the game, and some might suggest the more impactful of the two. Very arguably the most accurate bowler of all time, when paired with his disconcerting bounce and subtle movement, he was neigh irresistible. Fiercely competitive, he had the knack of removing the oppositions best batsman. In a dead pitch era where batsmen thrived, he alone made the pitches come alive. He bowls into the wind.
The team literally has every thing and covers all bases. Aggression and an anchor at the top, a peerless middle order that defies description with unmatched power and skill, unicorns at 6 & 7, a superb cordon and overall fielding team & excellent batting depth down to 10. The attack also has everything, a tearaway pacer with skiddy bounce who swings it, the perfect compliment with steepling bounce, and accurate seam to bowl into the wind, reverse swing to utilize the older ball along with your leg spinner and finally an all rounder who's your 4th seamer or 2nd spinner.
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kyear2
International Coach
Easily. But he's very similar to McGrath and me personally, I prefer something different from the 3rd bowler. Think Steyn is ideal but for various stated reasons, will go with the one of the two referenced.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Great glad I could convince you yet again.
Nah I was sharing my opinion. By saying 'you need' I was stressing the importance of a rounded attack as opposed to just a lineup of heavy hitters.
kyear2
International Coach
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Steyn is actually one of the least ideal third bowlers.
Third bowler is the one who keeps things tight after the shine has gone and until the ball gets rough enough to reverse.
In my first XI, I have Marshall and McGrath with the new ball and Imran third pacer.
In the second XI, Steyn and Hadlee take the new ball with Ambrose as third pacer.
kyear2
International Coach
Not getting involved in that discussion, as I said, will leave it to the forum.
One change though that I have started to consider is Knott over Gilchrist.
1. With that batting line up, do we need the extra batting or do we go with the better keeper.
2. As was recently discussed in another thread, considering Gilly's era and the situations in which he often came in, do we believe he was that much better than Knott?
As I said, just a thought, but it's an argument I've seen in these types of discussions, especially an article I read for the Cricinfo colab, and it's the direction the Wisden team took with theirs. It was surprisingly also the direction Kimber and Bumble took in the XI that they are (slowly) releasing. The conclusion they came to wasn't without merit, not to mention that Warne was apparently not always thrilled by Gilchrist's efforts behind the stumps.