Ian Botham vs Dennis Lillee

[Coronis]

Daily reminder Hoggard > Lillee

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, go suck a jellyfish.

Bumrah>Lillee; and after the English tour you won't be able to even deny that.

 

[BazBall21]

Willis and Roberts are both widely recognised as being a level below Lillee and both tore it up in India in the 70s. Not even as though Willis was the archetypal skiddy subcontinent conditions profile. It became a harder place for touring seamers sometime later.

 

[sayon basak]

Bumrah>Lillee; and after the English tour you won't be able to even deny that.

I mean, I could also argue that Bumrah is more skillful than Lillee. So, no contest in any way really.

 

[ashley bach]

Yeah folks here underrate him honestly.

It's totally @Prince EWS fault

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's totally @Prince EWS fault

A Hero

 

[subshakerz]

He had the skills not the returns. Remember:

Yeah but the reason he didn't have returns was because of lack of tours not lack of skills.

 

[subshakerz]

The only weakness in Lillee's record is the lack of surface credentials in the subcontinent. He was unfortunate to never tour India. I have no doubt he would have done well with a sufficient amount of opportunities.

Yup. The fact that he handled his pace decline so well and took 5WPM roughly all stages of his career tells me he likely would have adapted

 

[Coronis]

Bumrah>Lillee; and after the English tour you won't be able to even deny that.

If he plays

 

[subshakerz]

Bumrah>Lillee; and after the English tour you won't be able to even deny that.

Bumrah is better quality than Lillee currently but can't be rated ahead of him at this point.

 

[Thala_0710]

If he plays

He played the IPL yesterday.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but the reason he didn't have returns was because of lack of tours not lack of skills.

His home average is a little too high for my liking.

 

[Johan]

Bumrah>Lillee; and after the English tour you won't be able to even deny that.

 

[subshakerz]

His home average is a little too high for my liking.

Honestly you guys are too OCD about bowling averages in a way that is counter to how the game is played.

As long as your wickettaking is high, you can afford to have a bowling average of 23.

A 23 bowling average with a healthy SR is better than a 20 bowling average with a high SR.

In fact I think this point is obvious but I am frankly shocked how many on this board gets suckered into supporting low average low wickettaking bowlers.

 

[subshakerz]

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So many folks are made to look silly by overrating a player at their peak yet we never learn this lesson.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Honestly you guys are too OCD about bowling averages in a way that is counter to how the game is played.

As long as your wickettaking is high, you can afford to have a bowling average of 23.

A 23 bowling average with a healthy SR is better than a 20 bowling average with a high SR.

In fact I think this point is obvious but I am frankly shocked how many on this board gets suckered into supporting low average low wickettaking bowlers.

23.73. Also I can't see a scenario where someone would rate a SC batsman or bowler in top 10 ever, no matter how successful they are in India and Pakistan, if they never tour SENA and average a 100 in their only Australia series, no matter how flat. I could never rate Lillee on par with Steyn or Imran honestly.

 

[DrWolverine]

A 23 bowling average with a healthy SR is better than a 20 bowling average with a high SR.

You basically said Dale Steyn > Curtly Ambrose

 

[DrWolverine]

Dennis Lillee has an obvious flaw in his record. He did not play much in the subcontinent. I believe he would have done well here if he played though

 

[subshakerz]

You basically said Dale Steyn > Curtly Ambrose

He definitely is. As is Lillee IMO.though it's not a popular opinion on this board.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He definitely is. As is Lillee IMO.though it's not a popular opinion on this board.

As it shan't be