tooextracool
International Coach
i dont rate waugh highly as a captain. if u cant win a series in india with a team as good as he had then surely ur not very good.hussain and fleming were ahead of him by a country mile.Lions81 said:
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hussain vs fleming?
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Lions81
U19 Cricketer
Because he was the Pakistani cricket team's official captain for that series. Regardless of whether he played in that match or not, he was the captain. The Pakistani Cricket Board declares a captain and can change captains if it so desires. At that time, Inzamam was its captain. He was injured for the first test and Youhana was the stand-in captain. Do you think Inzamam had no input into that match? Did he go home and sit on his lazyboy recliner? No, he continued to captain for his team as Ganguly did for the first test match when he was in Multan. (He was back home in Kolkata for the second so he couldn't do it in Lahore. See how that went?) Pakistan won the series, and Inzamam as its captain, won it as well. If you want to say oh he didn't play so he couldn't have "won" the series, well then let's just add to the list of people who didn't "win" any batsmen who gets out for a duck or any bowlers who get an 0-fer cuz they didn't do anything for their team either. So in the end, the only "winners" are those who contributed directly to the victory. And so if you didn't play in the test, regardless of whether you were 12th man, on the 15-man squad, the official national captain, whatever, you can't be considered to have won the match. Good.marc71178 said:
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
How can someone not on the field actively captain a side?
He can't, and to use a victory attained when he's not even playing as an example of his great captaincy smacks of desparation.
Coming next - Hussain gets the credit for England's win last night whilst Tendulkar is blamed for the defeat (although knowing some of the criticism of him on here, that's not unlikely!)
He can't, and to use a victory attained when he's not even playing as an example of his great captaincy smacks of desparation.
Coming next - Hussain gets the credit for England's win last night whilst Tendulkar is blamed for the defeat (although knowing some of the criticism of him on here, that's not unlikely!)
Lions81
U19 Cricketer
1. I didn't say Inzamam was a great captain, in fact, he was 5th in my rankings, he is mediocre at best. But I was using the victory over South Africa to illustrate my point that he is a better captain than Graeme Smith.marc71178 said:
2. So the only effects of captaincy are on the field? Once the umpires take the bails off, the players go home and the team doesn't interact until they take the field the next day? A captain has great influence on his team on and off the field. Inzamam was undoubtedly in the dressing room, passing strategies along and giving the team talks during lunch and tea breaks. He DEFINITELY influenced the outcome of that game.
Swervy
International Captain
Lions81 said:
Why do you think Smith is such a poor captain...he has impressed pretty much everyone I have heard or read. I think he is a good captain, who is taking SA from a bit of a dodgy time, and I can see this team being very strong under his leadership.
I even read today that Gary Kirsten says he has learnt a thing or two from Smith...high praise I think
Ford_GTHO351
U19 Vice-Captain
They (those captaincy stats) have relevance as it creates discussion.luckyeddie said:
Deja moo
International Captain
Javed Miandad and his ball by ball instructions to the players on the field. You obviously didnt watch any of the ODIs between India and Pakistan.
Third ODI : yasir hameed spoons a catch to gully off a Pathan slower ball wide outside off stump when on 98.
After the match, yasir himself admitted to not heeding Miandads signalled warning before the ball was bowled . Miandad had signalled to him that Pathan would bowl the next ball as a slower one.
And Miandad did his signalling bit almost every ball of the match.
So , Miandad was de facto a non playing captain.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
*cough*earpiece*cough*
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Pot, meet kettleLions81 said:
disregarding the debate as to whether Inzi did or didn't 'Captain' the team at the time...........Lions81 said:
IMO the last 3 touring skippers to tour in NZ have all looked pretty ordinary - Ganguly, Inzamam & Smith so far as their Captaincy goes.........
Smith gets brownie points for winning the last test with his ton, but IMO that is a reflection of him as a batsman, rather than anything to do with his Captaincy - even the fact that the RSA bowlers tightened up and bowled a very good line & length has more to do with form / coaching & team tactics (an obvious one that NZ couldn't emulate), as opposed to any dynamic Captaincy on the field..........
