How did this bloke play for aus a??

[marc71178]

Just out of curiosity... is it at all possible for you to say anything remotely positive about anyone before they've scored 20 test hundreds or taken 300 wickets?

That's no limit - think of Hayden (22), McGrath (499), Pollock (a lot)

 

[12th Man]

ridiculous, reminds me of Abhjit Kale. can't say too much or the "authorities" will have me

 

[King_Ponting]

That's no limit - think of Hayden (22), McGrath (499), Pollock (a lot)

Add to that TEC's perception of Ponting as being rubbish, also scored 22 centuries.........

 

[tooextracool]

i agree that he has out performed Gilo, i would say he & Vettori are even but not Kumble no no no

err hogg is not even in the same class as vettori.

 

[tooextracool]

Add to that TEC's perception of Ponting as being rubbish, also scored 22 centuries.........

and where in the blue hell have i stated that ponting is rubbish?
ive constantly said that hes rubbish in india, and when you have players like danny morrison and muralitharan averaging more with the bat than you in india, should there really be much doubt?

 

[Richard]

Well most of his domestic career on the worst track to bowl spin bowling in the world at the WACA, so im not surprised his domestic record isn't that good. They do some stupid things in county cricket and that just another one, Wagh bowling ahead of Hogg.

Headingley is decisively worse than The WACA for bowling spin.
1 Yorks member I know said that he struggles to remember a single turning surface in the last decade; a WA member I know assured me that you get every 4th year a WACA season where there are 1 or 2 turners.

 

[Richard]

You said this before about eating your computer.

Fancy writing a book on how to stir-fry by hard drive and my modem? What sauces go best with it?

Fancy finding a single occasion, aside from the "if Australia play 5 bowlers" one, where I've been wrong to say it?
Because I'd back you to remember most if not every single time I've said it.

 

[Richard]

Just out of curiosity... is it at all possible for you to say anything remotely positive about anyone before they've scored 20 test hundreds or taken 300 wickets? I mean, aside from your bizarre pet players like White and Ramprakash?

Just for Cullen to stand out to such a huge degree as a finger spinner on Australian wickets at his age in his first season is remarkable, and he deserves all the credit he is getting for it. He is not "overrated" simply because people are suggesting he is a talent and a good prospect for the future.

So... when was the last time Australia produced a fingerspinner who could go remotely close to being called a World-class operative?
And incidentally... does the case of Prosper Utseya, amongst many, not do you?

 

[aussie]

And that both are regarded fairly highly says something about how easy it is for spinners to be overrated in Australia.
If any of them turn-out to be anything (and Dan Cullen too) I'll eat my computer.

gosh richard those blokes may not be the greatest but are ones for the future. Look at Culled he is a fingerspinner and did better than Casson & White who are the tradition aussie leg-spinners and thats pretty good for a youngster in his first season

 

[marc71178]

Fancy finding a single occasion, aside from the "if Australia play 5 bowlers" one, where I've been wrong to say it?

I seem to remember a certain bowler from Ashington taking a lot of wickets in the West Indies tour...

 

[Richard]

And I said "if he does I'll eat my computer" where?

 

[Richard]

gosh richard those blokes may not be the greatest but are ones for the future. Look at Culled he is a fingerspinner and did better than Casson & White who are the tradition aussie leg-spinners and thats pretty good for a youngster in his first season

And it may well be first-season fluke that we see so often.

 

[chaminda_00]

Except Hogg's record last season justified it completely, it was absolutely shocking.

One season doesn't make a player, especially in conditions that are forgien to him. It like saying Andy Flower is a crap batsmen cus he had a bad season playing for South Australia.

 

[BARMY_LAD]

Andrew Flower betrayed us... After barely a season into his three year CONTRACT he 'pulled up stumps'. I -like many other SACA Members- was annoyed (to say the least) in what he did. He was fortunate that we released him without any legal action.
We have been short of a good wicketkeeper/batsman for some time and although Flower may not have had a stella season with us, the potential was certainly there... You only have to look at his season with Essex this year, in which he has scored 669 runs in 7 matches at an average of 83.62
http://cricketarchive.com/Essex/Seasons/Seasonal_Averages/2005_f_Batting_by_Player.html
Yes, Australian conditions and standards are different from that of England but there is no doubt that his experience and tallent would have been reflected in results.

As for Dan Cullen, I should imagine that he will be a great player... He is being touted as a future Test Player from the powers that be in the SACA (South Australian Cricket Association).

 

[Adamc]

Fancy finding a single occasion, aside from the "if Australia play 5 bowlers" one, where I've been wrong to say it?
Because I'd back you to remember most if not every single time I've said it.

I'm looking forward to this:

Inzi, too, has played in far more challenging conditions than Martyn (that's not to say Martyn can't play seam or turn, just that he hasn't had to anywhere near as much).
And if Martyn finishes his career with an Inzamam-esque average I'll eat my computer.

Especially since Martyn currently averages more than Inzy.

 

[marc71178]

One season doesn't make a player, especially in conditions that are forgien to him.

But it's not just 1 season - an FC average of 42.37!

And I note the foreign conditions didn't stop him with the bat, so not sure how much of an excuse that is.

 

[chaminda_00]

But it's not just 1 season - an FC average of 42.37!

And I note the foreign conditions didn't stop him with the bat, so not sure how much of an excuse that is.

It not a great average, but you have to remember that his play most of his FC cricket at the WACA, which is one of the worst pitches to bowl spin. I remember reading in an article that he averages below 30 in the eastern states (away from the WACA) in FC Cricket in Australia.

I don't know why im argueing this i think his pretty average FC bowler anyway.

 

[marc71178]

That is one of the all time understatements there mate

 

[Richard]

As for Dan Cullen, I should imagine that he will be a great player... He is being touted as a future Test Player from the powers that be in the SACA (South Australian Cricket Association).

Wow, and no-one's ever been touted as a future Test-player by his home lot and not made it before...

 

[Richard]

I'm looking forward to this:
Especially since Martyn currently averages more than Inzy.

And I maintain that I find it incredibly unlikely that Martyn will finish his career with an Inzy-esque average.
This is why.
Quite a large amount of fluctuation.