How did India become the No. 1 Test Side?

[sunilz]

Using caps doesn't make you look smarter ftr.

One should try to have same standard for everyone.

If in a class everyone is failing , then one just has to score passing marks to get first rank.
How hard is this to understand.

 

[Burgey]

Hehe I know. That's why I made that comment.

I don't mind your pirates' delight beating about your team. Nothing wrong with that. It's when you posted during the first test that you hoped Morkel got injured as well as Steyn that you proved how odious you are. Wishing injury on players is about as crap as any supporter can get. Basically drew a line through your dross from that point on.

 

[R!TTER]

I mean obviously it wasn't his fault. But in the context of discussing whether he's the best bowler in the world or not, surely that comes with an acknowledgement that to be considered in that bracket you have to be inked in for every game you can play? Imagine England taking a horses-for-courses approach with Anderson, or SL with Herath. Just would jar particularly badly, even if the decision has cricketing merit.

Rabada for me is the best bowler in the world atm, Kohli also needs to grow up & learn that good bowlers are good anywhere & everywhere. If you need 4 pacers, like the last test's track then you're better off packing your batting - which he didn't do either. In terms of cricketing nous he's still some ways off from the likes of Ponting or Waugh i.e. game awareness & reading the opposition/conditions to give yourself the best chance of winning.

Actually England dropped a fully fit Anderson in Chennai IIRC, that's horses for courses as well. Kohli takes it to another extreme via his random team generator.

 

[Motorwada]

I mean obviously it wasn't his fault. But in the context of discussing whether he's the best bowler in the world or not, surely that comes with an acknowledgement that to be considered in that bracket you have to be inked in for every game you can play? Imagine England taking a horses-for-courses approach with Anderson, or SL with Herath. Just would jar particularly badly, even if the decision has cricketing merit.

Except for the fact that there is always a spot for more pacers. Remember the traditional cricket config is 2-2 in Asia and 3-1 outside so that means the spinner will always get less chances. On greentops teams sometimes play 4-0 as in the last test and on some dustbowls 1-3 is also played (in some Indian matches).

 

[Motorwada]

I don't mind your pirates' delight beating about your team. Nothing wrong with that. It's when you posted during the first test that you hoped Morkel got injured as well as Steyn that you proved how odious you are. Wishing injury on players is about as crap as any supporter can get. Basically drew a line through your dross from that point on.

Yeah. Sorry. I'll tone it down. That was wrong.

 

[Spark]

Rabada for me is the best bowler in the world atm, Kohli also needs to grow up & learn that good bowlers are good anywhere & everywhere. If you need 4 pacers, like the last test's track then you're better off packing your batting - which he didn't do either. In terms of cricketing nous he's still some ways off from the likes of Ponting or Waugh i.e. game awareness & reading the opposition/conditions to give yourself the best chance of winning.

Actually England dropped a fully fit Anderson in Chennai IIRC, that's horses for courses as well. Kohli takes it to another extreme via his random team generator.

No, I agree that there could be cricketing logic to it. But if you step back, it looks particularly weird from a "how good is Jadeja, really?" point of view.

 

[Burgey]

I mean obviously it wasn't his fault. But in the context of discussing whether he's the best bowler in the world or not, surely that comes with an acknowledgement that to be considered in that bracket you have to be inked in for every game you can play? Imagine England taking a horses-for-courses approach with Anderson, or SL with Herath. Just would jar particularly badly, even if the decision has cricketing merit.

This is precisely the point. If you want to be considered the best bowler in the world, or a "freakish player" in the way it was intended in Bugalugs post, you're a nailed on selection. If you're out of the selection loop owing to conditions then you're not properly in the argument.

 

[Daemon]

Tbf ashwin is pretty freakish with that brain of his

 

[Burgey]

And fwiw I actually think it weakened India's side by not considering Jadeja/ dropping Ashwin.

True it is that there's usually a 3-1 pace-spin balance in bowling outside the SC, but five quicks seemed kinda ridiculous from both teams in the last test tbh. Ashwin or Jadeja for India (though they won anyway) and Maharaj for SA would have strengthened their sides imo. And I'm speaking as a genuine hater of finger spinners, who as a species are only good for quickly getting through the boring overs of a one-dayer and for getting you quickly from 40 to 80 in a test or fc match.

Anyway, series is done now. Does anyone realistically see either India or SA going long term with five bowlers, without one of them being a genuine all rounder? Makes for exciting cricket if they do, because the opposition is never out of the game.

 

[Burgey]

Tbf ashwin is pretty freakish with that brain of his

Ashwin's brain alone should have been selected, even if his bowling arm wasn't.

 

[R!TTER]

No, I agree that there could be cricketing logic to it. But if you step back, it looks particularly weird from a "how good is Jadeja, really?" point of view.

Part of it lies in the stupid belief that he has - probably that he can lead any combination to victory. He is after all the WR holder for leading 35 (36?) different combinations across tests he's captained in, maybe he suffers from ADD or ADHD?

As for how good Jadeja is - sadly we won't know for sure, not unless Kohli backs his best bowlers & there's no doubt Jadeja (for me) is in the top two.

 

[vcs]

Fmd all this number one and clear cut number one talk is so tedious.

Also interesting to observe the type of posters that were posting during the series and those that only pulled out their keyboards after that whole pitch debacle.

Haha, yeah. It feels like some people don't care about the actual cricket, and are only really interested in the willy-waving.

 

[Daemon]

I guess tbf it's all in a thread dedicated to that sort of talk so I shouldn't really be complaining

 

[_00_deathscar]

Whoa this seems to have gotten out of hand. My comment was quite clearly pointing to the fact that Ashwin and Jadeja are freaks at home, and as a result India has enjoyed some freakish results at home, losing only 1 test in 4 years (think it's 20-something wins?). It's fine to admit it. One (not necessarily the former two) can be absolutely **** away and still be freakish at home.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Rabada for me is the best bowler in the world atm, Kohli also needs to grow up & learn that good bowlers are good anywhere & everywhere. If you need 4 pacers, like the last test's track then you're better off packing your batting - which he didn't do either. In terms of cricketing nous he's still some ways off from the likes of Ponting or Waugh i.e. game awareness & reading the opposition/conditions to give yourself the best chance of winning.

Actually England dropped a fully fit Anderson in Chennai IIRC, that's horses for courses as well. Kohli takes it to another extreme via his random team generator.

But Ashwin and Jadeja aren't good bowlers everywhere. They're rightfully not both being selected in all conditions.

(I still think at least one of them should be playing each away Test though)

 

[Daemon]

I'm glad that at least the general public's perception is that Kohli ****ed up the selections. Even the rabid fans aren't supporting him on that front.

 

[Gob]

Well neither were PONTING and LILLEE . And both are considered as ATG.
KOHLI already has more runs , more century, better average outside ASIA as compared to PONTING in ASIA. Lesser said about LILLEE the better.KOHLI is already ATG as per AUSTRALIAN standard

India will continue to be no.1 as long as team like AUSTRALIA keep getting embarrased in Bangladesh.

This guy is dropping some serious truth bombs and people can't handle it

 

[Daemon]

This guy is dropping some serious TRUTH bombs and people can't handle it

ftfy

 

[Shri]

Think an English speaking China without the great firewall.

Dude, China speaks English just fine and is good at the language. If you don't believe me, we have a great chinese member here named *****.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Dude, China speaks English just fine and is good at the language. If you don't believe me, we have a great chinese member here named *****.

Chinese, Hong Konger, Indian, Bangladeshi....