Hayden calls subcontinental batsmen 'selfish'

[nookie_lk]

i totally agree with u...but whats he gonna gain by stating something like that ? Does he really want to make the subcontinent players to be less selfish...i dont think so...its just Criticism isnt it ?

 

[Swervy]

i totally agree with u...but whats he gonna gain by stating something like that ? Does he really want to make the subcontinent players to be less selfish...i dont think so...its just Criticism isnt it ?

as someone has already said its just mind games a couple of weeks before a major tournament...little things like this can affect peoples play and if it does, its playing right into the hands of the Australians...and if any player does let it affect them, then they only have themselves to blame

 

[Arjun]

To be very honest, the Indian team lacks great players. Otherwise, they would not be as 'selfish' as they seem to be.

 

[Hit4Six]

india lack great players??!!

 

[Dasa]

To be very honest, the Indian team lacks great players. Otherwise, they would not be as 'selfish' as they seem to be.

Tendulkar?
Dravid?
Kumble?

 

[Son Of Coco]

people should seriously not give a sh!t when aussies come up with these stupid remarks...atleast then they will stop it someday...

Well, as you can see from reading the article Hayden's not the only one who feels like this with 'critics at home' also feeling this way. It's quite possible that he hasn't gone out of his way to personally criticise the teams from the subcontinent, but perceived this as a constructive comment regarding why teams from that area don't seem to be winning as many one-day games as they should. The headline doesn't scream "Hayden slams lack of recognition for himself and Gilchrist" just because he also makes mention of the fact that they set a good foundation for the WC win and the batting kudos went to Ponting and Martyn.

Did he just come out and say this off the cuff - just called an interview deciding he had something to say and let loose with comments about the subcontinent? Isn't it more likely to be the answer to a question regarding the difference between approaches to the game re: Australian players and players from the subcontinent?

Try to step away from the persecution complex for a minute and read the articles and have a think about it.

 

[Slow Love™]

Of course, this comment may just have been part of the mental games the Aussies play, what with his comments being made just before the India vs Australia match in Amsterdam.

Say it ain't so! Not really necessary though, given that the Indians have been more than happy in recent ODI's to throw their wickets away recklessly, without added incentive from Hayden. A waste of time on Haydo's part.

What the Aussies should be concentrating on is how on earth they're going to dismiss Laxman and Dravid cheaply in the upcoming test series.

 

[Slow Love™]

It's quite possible that he hasn't gone out of his way to personally criticise the teams from the subcontinent, but perceived this as a constructive comment regarding why teams from that area don't seem to be winning as many one-day games as they should.

Hahahahahaha! Or not. C'mon, SoC, be serious. It follows a fine tradition of psyching out of their opponents by the Australian cricket team. Just that Steve Waugh was better at it than Hayden is.

 

[Slow Love™]

Pretty much all the subcontinental sides are like that.

Dasa, I noticed you bolded this part of Hayden's comment, and it surprised me too. Is he including Sri Lanka in this criticism (I wouldn't have thought so)? What about Bangladesh? Or does he just mean India and Pakistan? Did he even mean Pakistan? I have no idea.

 

[Arjun]

india lack great players??!!

If they really had any great players, they would have won 7 out of the 14 tournaments in which they figured.

A great player can change the course of a match and turn it his team's way. I was jsut watching a documentary on Sanjay Manjrekar's heroes, where he featured Sanath Jayasuriya, who single-handedly changed the way ODI cricket is played. Those big sixes over point, the big straight drives, the powerful pulls and hooks, all made him effective.

Lance Klusener has always been the South Africans' crisis player. Whenever the Proteas lose a few early wickets, he jsut has to enter and let his bat do the talking...um...hitting. His rapid scores of 50 or even 100 can change the match. That made him a dangerous opponent in the late 90's. Everyone had confidence in his batting. The same can be said of Gilchrist, Hayden and Cairns.

Then you have the big innings players. Ricky Ponting steps in. He scores at a slow pace first, then hits a few fours and after a long time spent at the crease, explodes and takes the attack to the opposition, as in Jo'Burg and Bangalore. Saeed Anwar's 194 not out was one more innings which won a match.

The same impact is missing in most Indian players. When Sehwag tries to hit one big shot too many, he's gone, and all these experts say that he is not judicious enough to be opening the batting. Soem say he is not even of international standard. The same is said of Yuvraj Singh, when he steps out to hit a six, only to get caught in the deep. When Sachin or Dravid or Ganguly last a long time, either they get out playing a loose shot, or it's too late.

Even in bowling, you'll have the likes of McGrath, Gillespie, Shoaib, Warne, Walsh and even Harmison, who can sustain a good spell for a long time. They don't go for too many runs, and they can pick up wickets regularly. That, against Agarkar who bowls two good overs, followed by four very bad ones. Or Zaheer Khan, who tries to bounce the batsman out only to get pulled and hooked out of the ground. Or Harbhajan, who can't attack for long and bowls to save his skin.

The balance factor counts, too. Lance Klusener is not only the destructive ODI batsman we know of, but also a very intelligent and effective bowler. Chris Cairns is not just his team's most dangerous batsman, but also a premier strike bowler. Gilchrist is not just the most effective batsman of today, but also a very reliable wicketkeeper. But when the part-time combination from the Indian team comes on to bowl, rarely do they get the job done cleanly- at times, they're a liability. Once the specialist batsmen are gone, the bowlers score next to nothing with the bat. The wicketkeepers cannot score runs, so a batsman has to keep wickets and the more he does that thankless job, the worse he does it.

When you look at successful ODI sides of today, they all have great players, in batting and bowling. Not the Indians. They're not even a successful ODI side.

Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid are the only players here close to great, but there is not much confidence in them- Dravid would make a superb Number 3, but is stuck at 5; Laxman is not even considered a certainty in ODI's.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Hahahahahaha! Or not. C'mon, SoC, be serious. It follows a fine tradition of psyching out of their opponents by the Australian cricket team. Just that Steve Waugh was better at it than Hayden is.

I'm psyched out just answering a post regarding it! haha

 

[Sanz]

Okay, First Ponting calls Brian Lara Selfish, And now Hayden calls all the subcontinet batsmen as selfish. Idiot !!. They should come up with a better excuses for not being able to score centuries or make 400 runs. I saw his batting yesterday and he was more selfish than anyone. In a 32 over match how can he waste 5 overs.

 

[Swervy]

Okay, First Ponting calls Brian Lara Selfish, And now Hayden calls all the subcontinet batsmen as selfish. Idiot !!. They should come up with a better excuses for not being able to score centuries or make 400 runs. I saw his batting yesterday and he was more selfish than anyone. In a 32 over match how can he waste 5 overs.

there is a difference between not finding your form and being selfish

 

[Jnr.]

I saw his batting yesterday and he was more selfish than anyone. In a 32 over match how can he waste 5 overs.

How many times did Hayden take a big swing and miss? He was trying to score, but I guess the pitch was a bit slow.

 

[Sanz]

there is a difference between not finding your form and being selfish

Okay when an australian batsman bats slow, he is basically trying to find his form, but when a batsman from subcontinent does it he is being selfish.

 

[Sanz]

How many times did Hayden take a big swing and miss? He was trying to score, but I guess the pitch was a bit slow.

Yeah it was so slow that Michael Clarke, a newcomer, scored 42 in 27 balls, ponting 26 in 27, Symonds 12 in 11, Martyn 12 in 16, Hogg 17 in 14 . But let me guess Pitch was slow when Hayden was batting but was normal for everyone else.

 

[Jnr.]

Obviously Hayden was struggling in those conditions.

 

[Sanz]

Yeah Right !! When he bats slow he is basically struggling, when others bat slow they are selfish.

 

[luckyeddie]

Yeah Right !! When he bats slow he is basically struggling, when others bat slow they are selfish.

See?

It didn't take you too long to work it out.

I think it's just a little bit of psychology - and if it winds the players up every bit as much as one or two of the supporters, then that's a case of 'mission accomplished'

 

[Jnr.]

Yeah Right !! When he bats slow he is basically struggling, when others bat slow they are selfish.

Hayden was playing and missing. When he tried to up his scoring rate, he swung his bat and still missed.