Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[silentstriker]

Hayden's spot on.

Of course he is. So are Nel, Sreesanth and Symonds. That doesn't mean you go to the media with your personal views in the middle of a contentious series.

 

[Malleeboy]

Surely it would be more fun to actually work out the boxing match ups (and likely winners)....

Ponting v Tendulkar
Dhoni v Gilchrist
Hogg v Kumble
Shrinath v Lee
Harbajhan v Hogg
Ishant Sharms v Stuart Clarke


I'm just not sure if any of the Indian players would have the bravado to step into the ring with Symonds (or Hayden for that matter)

 

[Richard]

Shrinath

You mean Srinath, or Sreesanth?

 

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Surely it would be more fun to actually work out the boxing match ups (and likely winners)....

Ponting v Tendulkar
Dhoni v Gilchrist
Hogg v Kumble
Shrinath v Lee
Harbajhan v Hogg
Ishant Sharms v Stuart Clarke

Ponting
Dhoni
Kumble
Lee
Harbhajan
Clark

 

[ret]

Empty vessels make the most noise

cheers

 

[Richard]

Not to be lost among other aspects of this episode, is that Harbhajan is in Australia at the invitation of CA, Hayden's direct employer. So Hayden is hosting Harbhajan, so to speak.

Good manners you got there Mr Hayden. To invite someone over and then spit on them.

Shades of Pellham Warner who begged Umpire Frank Chester not to call Geoff Griffin because he was a guest of MCC.

 

[Laurrz]

geez that was unexpected

i fear this will somehow stir up the indians and they could fire up for the finals

 

[Burgey]

My brother is a lawyer and he says a case can be made on his full comments where he says
things about bhajji being irresponsible and a troublemaker.
It can be implied that he is due to this tarnishing his reputation and causing phyical and financial harm but it will be tough to prove.
One thing is for sure that the case will be admitted and tried and that is what i was implying has to be done to teach hayden a lesson.

But then he'd just pull out HBS' ICC behaviour record as a defence of truth.

Stupid comments and pretty inappropriate to raise them in the media, but I don't think you could maintain an action against him.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Curious if someone has a list of them. Clearly he's a hot head, but other than with Symonds and the Australians - which are other teams has he gotten into really bad blood with?

Some Australian players, especially Symonds, are such mal-intentioned rabble rousers that I would myself simply discount all incidents involving Symonds for e.g from judging any body.

England

Hayden may well be right, but he probably shouldn't have said it in public.

 

[Burgey]

Curious if someone has a list of them. Clearly he's a hot head, but other than with Symonds and the Australians - which are other teams has he gotten into really bad blood with?

Some Australian players, especially Symonds, are such mal-intentioned rabble rousers that I would myself simply discount all incidents involving Symonds for e.g from judging any body.

Likewise though, apart from India and Harbhajan, who has Symonds had problems with?

 

[Richard]

England

Hayden may well be right, but he probably shouldn't have said it in public.

Oi you, stop avoiding the issue. You've an unpaid forfeit - avatar it, for a month!

 

[Burgey]

Oi you, stop avoiding the issue. You've an unpaid forfeit - avatar it, for a month!

How come your hair's lopsided? Is it beret head or something?

 

[howardj]

That's outrageous! He's not a weed!

 

[Burgey]

That's outrageous! He's not a weed!

At least he didn't call him "noxious" - might have got sprayed with something nasty (or nastier).

 

[Son Of Coco]

Oi you, stop avoiding the issue. You've an unpaid forfeit - avatar it, for a month!

I know this is an unpaid debt, but can you remind me what it was for again? Then tell me how to put this abomination in my avatar.

 

[R_D]

lol at suggestion of sueing Hayden.
Good call by him but only just proving how much dumb **** hayden is really by saying somethign like this in public.

also lol at teh suggestion that Symmonds said " Well Bowled champ" to Ishant after he got him out... sure looked like it with his lip movement.

 

[Burgey]

lol at suggestion of sueing Hayden.
Good call by him but only just proving how much dumb **** hayden is really by saying somethign like this in public.

also lol at teh suggestion that Symmonds said " Well Bowled champ" to Ishant after he got him out... sure looked like it with his lip movement.

Spot on - it seems obvious from his lip movements that he didn't say "Well bowled champ" - it looked like "Well bowled Ishant" to me

 

[Johnners]

Haha, Hayden, such a dolt. Despite the fact that he's spot on, he's a tosser for saying it in public.

 

[irfan]

I can't help but feel that there are some underlying issues out there, that'd led to this whole sledging ruckus to cause such animosity between Australia and India. I mean sure there is no denying that Harbhajhan is an absolute tool, no rational Indian or Australian supporter would disagree with that, but there really wasn't any need for Hayden to call him out publicly. Particularly in times of strained relations between the two sides.

I still feel there's very much a grey area in what can be termed as acceptable when it comes to sledging. Basically in Indian domestic cricket sledging isn't anywhere near as prevalent as there is in Australian domestic cricket and when these Indian players get into the national teams and are being constantly put off their game by jibes and barbs from the Australian players it can be unsettling and belittling. Now what may be termed as 'gamesmanship' by Australian players is simply termed 'verbal abuse' to Indian players and that's why they 'whinge and complain' to the umpires because they feel that this so called mental intimidation and shouldn't be part of the game.

But from an Australian POV, mental intimidation always has been a part of the game and their mindset is that this 'gamesmanship' is perfectly acceptable as they have been doing it throughout schools cricket, state cricket without any apparent qualms and this has spilled over to the international stage.

In India's previous tours to Australia, the Indian players have generally been mild mannered and ignoring any onfield slurs (i.e Dravid, Laxman, Kumble & Tendulkar) and letting their cricket skills do the talking. But now the younger brigade (Harbhajan, Sreesanth, D Kartik) feel that they shouldn't have to be constantly belittled and put down and feel the need to retaliate. The problem is they haven't learnt to sledge back appropriately and their comebacks seem to the Australians as a bit over the top and downright stupid. This is why I'm glad that Dhoni wants his team to learn appropriate sledging as it's an important mental attribute to have when facing the Australians.

I think a ban to sledging is a bit of an overreaction and is such an ingrained part of the Australians physche (sp?) that it would be too hard to cut and police the verbal noise to zero. Only cricket ability related sledges should be accepted with no abhorrent language. Maybe (I know this may seem a bit drastic) if you make all the onfield players wear little microphones they will be a lot more select with their words. But you'd have to filter it in such a way that whatever they say will go straight to the match referee's room and not affect the television broadcast. Atleast this will eliminate all this 'he said, she said' crap.
Atleast, this way the match ref would have some serious evidence for guilty offenders and an appropriate ban (without appeal) can be meted out.

 

[Migara]

Hayden said he had repeatedly told Sharma to settle down and yesterday said he would like to meet the bowler in a boxing ring. - Herald Sun

Don't know whether he said it and it is a case of poor reporting though as the newspaper doesn't quote him as saying it

Well Ishant will do it in few years time after putting some weight and by that time Hayden will be old.