Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[sledger]

Bremner

imo he was only any good whilst appearing on whose line is it anyway?

 

[ret]

hmm where thats true, there is a massive difference between saying, "you cheeky monkey" and "you filthy monkey", obviously there is a significant difference between the two.

in whatever context, 'cheeky' or 'filthy', it's not offensive in Ind

cheers

 

[sledger]

in whatever context, 'cheeky' or 'filthy', it's not offensive in Ind

cheers

well again, thats irrespective, it is in Australia, which is where the said controversy took place.

 

[Richard]

imo he was only any good whilst appearing on whose line is it anyway?

Meh, I like him, I think his Tony Blair was about the best going around (one might even argue, later on, better than the real one...) and while McGowan and Acona > Bird, Bremner and Fortune, I was always a huge fan of both.

 

[sledger]

Meh, I like him, I think his Tony Blair was about the best going around (one might even argue, later on, better than the real one...) and while McGowan and Acona > Bird, Bremner and Fortune, I was always a huge fan of both.

haah yes agree actually, look up his john major impression on youtube as well, that is also very good.

 

[ret]

well again, thats irrespective, it is in Australia, which is where the said controversy took place.

Nah, it took place in Ind, if my memory serves right .... Symo was affected by Bhajji's remark and then the chants by the crowd in the ODI series in Ind

cheers

 

[Richard]

cheers

Is this really neccessary? If you like ending every post with "cheers" so much, why not simply sig it?

 

[sledger]

I was about to say the same thing.

 

[sledger]

Nah, it took place in Ind, if my memory serves right .... Symo was affected by Bhajji's remark and then the chants by the crowd in the ODI series in Ind

cheers

well ok then, fair enough, but then again, lets say for example in australia Harb was called a "B*stard", this is considered an every day light insult over there, but there would still be uproar overseas if what you have said is to be believed.

 

[ret]

Is this really neccessary? If you like ending every post with "cheers" so much, why not simply sig it?

i like to end my posts that way .... but yeah, putting in in the siggy is a good idea too. will consider that

cheers

 

[ret]

well ok then, fair enough, but then again, lets say for example in australia Harb was called a "B*stard", this is considered an every day light insult over there, but there would still be uproar overseas if what you have said is to be believed.

I hv nothing against the uproar .... just the hypocrisy where a 'monkey' becomes a offensive remark and a 'bastard' a friendly banter

cheers

 

[sledger]

I hv nothing against the uproar .... just the hypocrisy where a 'monkey' becomes a offensive remark and a 'bastard' a friendly banter

cheers

thats all relative to where you are in the world though surely? What is offensive in one part of the world may not be in another, and vice versa.

 

[Fusion]

Here are full comments by Hayden. Loved his imitation of Sharma's accent.

All I can say is that I have absolutely no respect for Hayden after hearing this.

 

[ret]

thats all relative to where you are in the world though surely? What is offensive in one part of the world may not be in another, and vice versa.

yep and whats interesting is that the 'OZ' promote sledging as an 'art', if i m not wrong, whereas the Ind don't. for Ind, its probably offensive

so if the OZ's want to continue sledging, they can be my guest but then they should not take offense at 'Symo' being called a monkey .... if Symo calls Bhajji or any other Ind anything, then Inds hv a right to call him a monkey coz at the end of the day both teams are saying things according to the parameters of whats acceptable in their cultures. If the OZs are going to complain abt that remark and continue sledging then i don't see a point in that

just my 2 cents

cheers

 

[sledger]

yep and whats interesting is that the 'OZ' promote sledging as an 'art', if i m not wrong, whereas the Ind don't. for Ind, its probably offensive

so if the OZ's want to continue sledging, they can be my guest but then they should not take offense at 'Symo' being called a monkey .... if Symo calls Bhajji or any other Ind anything, then Inds hv a right to call him a monkey coz at the end of the day both teams are saying things according to the parameters of whats acceptable in their cultures. If the OZs are going to complain abt that remark and continue sledging then i don't see a point in that

just my 2 cents

cheers

so youre arguing that sledging justifies racism? oh dear.

 

[jeevan]

Listened to the clip and wrt Hayden, it is not just that he has a visceral dislike for Harbhajan - as the original quotes had suggested. While that was very impolitic, was still understandable.
His mocking Ishant (atleast as racist as calling Symonds a monkey) and the Indian team (losing every game - c'mon buddy!).

Deeper problems there. Here in the US, he would be classified as a redneck or white trash.

 

[duffer]

so youre arguing that sledging justifies racism? oh dear.

He's arguing that they're both equally offensive depending on where you're from, yet one is universally condemned while the other is glorified.

 

[ret]

so youre arguing that sledging justifies racism? oh dear.

another way to put that would be that saying someone a monkey is NOT racism and is like the 'friendly banter' as defined by the OZ. it's not even as bad as someone the f-word [which is not bad for some at all]

cheers

 

[sledger]

He's arguing that they're both equally offensive depending on where you're from, yet one is universally condemned while the other is glorified.

oh right ok, misread the post somewhere then, but even so this doesnt in any way excuse making racist remarks.

 

[jeevan]

so youre arguing that sledging justifies racism? oh dear.

No it doesnt. However the Australians attempting to finesse the distinctions between 'plain' sledging and racist abuse is sheer nonsense. Hayden's mimicking there of Ishant was as offensive as Harbhajan allegedly calling Symonds a monkey, except there was proof in this one.