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Group A - Australia, South Africa, Scotland, Holland

Langeveldt

Soutie
Pfft, why on earth are we bowling first against Scotland?? What an awful decision, our batsmen should be aiming for some big practice before the game against Aussie.. In all likelihood we won't even be chasing 200.. Horrible decision from Smith..
 

pup11

International Coach
Scots showing some positive intent, and what a shot from Watts there pulling Ntini of the front-foot for 6.

Way to go Scots!!
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Hate how the commentators keep saying St Kitts is named after "St Christopher Columbus, the patron saint of travellers." Shut the **** up, Nicholas. No it isn't. Christopher Columbus wasn't even canonized. St Christopher, the **** who carried Jesus across the river, lends patronage to travellers.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Ha, WTF. After Smith and AB bashing it all over, they choose to send in Prince (probably the least aggressive player in the team) :blink:

No point in Smith and AB playing the way they did if the run rate was going to slow with Prince coming in.

Anyway, all academic now with the rain coming down hard.

Im sure SA dont want to come back tomorrow to finish this.
 

Kweek

Cricketer Of The Year
Date: 20/3/2007
Author: Ian Pont

It would seriously good to get some sort of perspective on this 'super group' A that includes SA and Australia. Yes, the Dutch team are disappointed with their efforts. Yes, losing by more than 200 runs is not what was planned for. But, and this is a massive BUT, the SA and Australian batting line ups are quite awesome. This is also the smallest ground in the West Indies (Ponting said it was too small for ODI's) and the pitch is the best batting track. Poor Edgar Schiferli, who is our most dangerous bowler, then tweaks his hamstring and we lose 50% of our opening attack. That's tough when a small country isn't overly blessed with pace bowlers.

Look around some of the other groups: iffy pitches, large boundaries and lesser teams to play against. The NL squad has been amazingly unlucky (or lucky) to face world number one and world number two within three days. Both opponents out to batter all opposition and finish in top spot on run rates.

We have the third youngest squad at the World Cup and it's very likely half a dozen older players may be unavailable after this World Cup is over. So we have some valuable experience being developed here - even if we are not running the best teams in the world even close. Did anyone expect us to seriously do that? Let's cut the guys some slack.

Our ground fielding overall has been world class! Not much to chose between many of the Test teams and us.

The question is can we learn from being outclassed and outplayed by teams that spend multi-millions on their full time cricketers, pay them millions and have the best facilities in the world to practice on?

So please, let's get some perspective. Teams far better than the NL team have been smashed by SA and Australia. It would be simply ridiculous to expect the Dutch to make an impact. Having said that, players' pride drives the team to keep going and wave the Dutch flag. The youngsters playing now will be all the better for it. Anyone who watched Mark Jonkman bowling at Gilchrist and Hayden with decent respect from them, will acknowledge progress is being made. it's just not fair to judge that progress against giants of the game at the top of their sport at the Cricket World Cup.

Ask yourself what you serious expect given the limitations.... Our big match is against Scotland who also don't wish to leave without any points from this world cup. It should be a good match. Pity Edgar Schiferli is missing...
posted on the cricketeurope 'forums'


for those of you who don't know who Ian Pont is : http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/player/18564.html

fast-bowling coach for Essex, the Netherlands and the English academy
 
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pasag

RTDAS
Yeah, it's getting abit annoying how people are saying Canada and Bermuda> Holland. They're quite a good associate side and deserve more credit, even on CW. Not their fault they are in the same group as the two best sides in the world.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Better than Bermuda yes, but their record against the other associates is still 6 wins and 6 losses, so they're not one of the better associates in all honesty.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Doesn't seem like it's an issue with the Australian forummers...if I remember correctly, in regards to who he supports, 'aussie' copped it from pretty much only (some of) the English posters.
Nah that's not true. Plenty of aussies gave him stick as well. Glad you put "some of" in though. I've never given him any stick for it. Mind you, if he ever camr to my house and cheered on Australia.... :laugh:

I agree that it's at the indivudual's discretion who they support. Could have made my life easier but not choosing the default option in all sports really!!
 

Kweek

Cricketer Of The Year
Better than Bermuda yes, but their record against the other associates is still 6 wins and 6 losses, so they're not one of the better associates in all honesty.
and we won versus Ireland 5 weeks ago...hmmm makes you wonder
 

Kweek

Cricketer Of The Year
Date: 20/3/2007
Author: Ian Pont

It would seriously good to get some sort of perspective on this 'super group' A that includes SA and Australia. Yes, the Dutch team are disappointed with their efforts. Yes, losing by more than 200 runs is not what was planned for. But, and this is a massive BUT, the SA and Australian batting line ups are quite awesome. This is also the smallest ground in the West Indies (Ponting said it was too small for ODI's) and the pitch is the best batting track. Poor Edgar Schiferli, who is our most dangerous bowler, then tweaks his hamstring and we lose 50% of our opening attack. That's tough when a small country isn't overly blessed with pace bowlers.

Look around some of the other groups: iffy pitches, large boundaries and lesser teams to play against. The NL squad has been amazingly unlucky (or lucky) to face world number one and world number two within three days. Both opponents out to batter all opposition and finish in top spot on run rates.

We have the third youngest squad at the World Cup and it's very likely half a dozen older players may be unavailable after this World Cup is over. So we have some valuable experience being developed here - even if we are not running the best teams in the world even close. Did anyone expect us to seriously do that? Let's cut the guys some slack.

Our ground fielding overall has been world class! Not much to chose between many of the Test teams and us.

The question is can we learn from being outclassed and outplayed by teams that spend multi-millions on their full time cricketers, pay them millions and have the best facilities in the world to practice on?

So please, let's get some perspective. Teams far better than the NL team have been smashed by SA and Australia. It would be simply ridiculous to expect the Dutch to make an impact. Having said that, players' pride drives the team to keep going and wave the Dutch flag. The youngsters playing now will be all the better for it. Anyone who watched Mark Jonkman bowling at Gilchrist and Hayden with decent respect from them, will acknowledge progress is being made. it's just not fair to judge that progress against giants of the game at the top of their sport at the Cricket World Cup.

Ask yourself what you serious expect given the limitations.... Our big match is against Scotland who also don't wish to leave without any points from this world cup. It should be a good match. Pity Edgar Schiferli is missing...


I'll post this again, since it was on the last post of the page :/
 

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