Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Didn't say they are better. Just disagreed they are worse.
Warner's form as an ODI batsman currently makes up for having Head instead of Clarke
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Group A - Australia, Bangladesh, England, New Zealand
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Warner's form as an ODI batsman currently makes up for having Head instead of Clarke
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Faulkner's not the player he was in 2015 either. At the time he was the best ODI allrounder in the world. Despite the talk about Starc winning the game in the first over, Faulkner won it in the 35th. At 150/3 after 35 overs and two set batsmen NZ looked set for 270 and game on, but JF changed the match.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Well Faulkner is not even in the squad so that's irrelevant
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
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Oops - my mistake. Hastings, Starc and Cummins could all bat 8, but none are as good with the bat as a 2014/15 Faulkner.
I love how Hazelwood/Cummins are lumped together and not directly compared to Rabada. We're just told that "Rabada in ODIs is nowhere near the bowler he is in Tests" instead of being told whether he is better than Hazelwood/Cummins (Spoiler: He is). That's because the if you do compare Rabada directly to them you wind up finding out the "best ODI bowling attack™" has two bowlers clearly inferior to that of another team you are already counting out. And that's not even getting into the fifth bowling option.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Because cricket is a bit more complex than that. Neither of them has played enough ODIs for there to be a direct player by player comparison with any other bowler. The sample size isn't there. The point was so far, in the limited games we have on offer, I would pick Hazwelwood/Cummins over Rabada in my ODI team.
This is not to say one is better than the other. I personally think Rabada will surpass every fast bowler of his time, including Starc. But that's irrelevant to the context here.
The context to my post was Champions Trophy. Tomorrow when the tournament starts and I am asked to pick 1 for my Playing XI, I would pick Hazwelwood over Rabada.
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Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Well then you look at immediate vs long term future. In 2-3 years time, Rabada will most likely be the number 1 fast bowler in the world, and become an automatic selection.
In an immediate future where you pick players based on current/most recent performances, I would pick Hazelwood.
In an immediate future where you pick players based on current/most recent performances, I would pick Hazelwood.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
henry certainly would but sodhi isn't anywhere near as good as adil rashid and rashid isn't really that good.
you'd probably take moeen over sodhi too given his batting.
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saifimalik
Cricket Spectator
good job.
Firebreaker
Banned
Bangladesh are here just to make numbers tbh
I know us Kiwis beat our trans-Tasman cuzzies 2-0 in Jan-Feb 2017 when they had a lightweight batting lineup, so nobody rates the win very highly, but their bowling lineup was Starc ... Hazlewood ...Cummins ... Zampa ....
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
They earned it to be here. Ask West Indies.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Absolutely. Pakistan>Bangla>SL.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
BD > Pakistan > SL maybe. Don't see how Pak ODI team is better than BD.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Babar imo
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So what are the odds we'll see the quartet in at least one match?
Pattinson couldn't be doing much more to be demanding selection. Cummins, Haze and Starc are locks. And traditionally Zampa has been the whipping boy of the Australian selection panel.
Could be the last series we see some of these blokes play for a very long time as well.
Pattinson couldn't be doing much more to be demanding selection. Cummins, Haze and Starc are locks. And traditionally Zampa has been the whipping boy of the Australian selection panel.
Could be the last series we see some of these blokes play for a very long time as well.
It will be one of the greatest shocks in Cricket history if Bangladesh manages to win all their group games, but the group they're in is extremely tough. I'm expecting both England and Australia to go through. The way England destroyed South Africa who are ranked #1 btw shows that this group is the toughest. One thing Bangladesh has a big advantage over the other sides is their spin.
