Greatest Test XI

[kyear2]

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Never have you seen me make an excuse for him. He was great he had a magnificent peak, he fell off a cliff.

Show me one place where I've said otherwise.

 

[Coronis]

Never have you seen me make an excuse for him. He was great he had a magnificent peak, he fell off a cliff.

Show me one place where I've said otherwise.

 

[reyrey]

What is the physical difference between the 3rd and 4th innings. Please explain. In both he would have already bowled one innings.

It's 2 batting sessions vs 1.

Now please answer if you think the reason Imran averaged well over 40 bowling in the 4th innings was down to a lack of bowling skill.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's 2 batting sessions vs 1.

Now please answer if you think the reason Imran averaged well over 40 bowling in the 4th innings was down to a lack of bowling skill.

If so, then why does he averages so much more in the second innings as well??

 

[reyrey]

If so, then why does he averages so much more in the second innings as well??

He doesn't average "so much more". He averages 50% more

4th innings he averages 150% which more accurately fits the statement "so much more"

And that's also 75% more than his 2nd innings average which is still more than 50%

 

[capt_Luffy]

He doesn't average "so much more". He averages 50% more

4th innings he averages 150% which more accurately fits the statement "so much more"

And that's also 75% more than his 2nd innings average which is still more than 50%

I think 50% more in itself fits the description of ''so much more"..... Not to mention the fact that literally every bowler also has to bat in the 3rd innings, and most of them didn't bowled so much worse for that reason alone. And before you say, Imran used to bat at no 7 or 8 most of the times, same as someone like Hadlee and barely ahead of the likes of Marshall and Akram.

 

[Bolo.]

It's 2 batting sessions vs 1.

Now please answer if you think the reason Imran averaged well over 40 bowling in the 4th innings was down to a lack of bowling skill.

I definitely agree with by into the idea that workload impacted him. It does with everyone trying to bowl quick, and his workload was big.

But this doesn't explain his home/away split. Don't know balls faced, but he averages a lot more with the bat at home, which should be higher workload. He does bowl more away, but a large part of why he was bowling more away was because he wasn't blasting teams out at the same rate as at home.

He has only 21 4th Innings wickets BTW. It's not an amount worth analysing his averages over- a single good spell would swing his average pretty significantly.

 

[reyrey]

I think 50% more in itself fits the description of ''so much more"..... Not to mention the fact that literally every bowler also has to bat in the 3rd innings, and most of them didn't bowled so much worse for that reason alone. And before you say, Imran used to bat at no 7 or 8 most of the times, same as someone like Hadlee and barely ahead of the likes of Marshall and Akram.

150% and even 75% fit it much better

Marshall and Akram typically didn't bowl as many overs as Imran and Hadlee never captained. They also typically wouldn't have spent as much time at the crease as him.

 

[kyear2]

It's 2 batting sessions vs 1.

Now please answer if you think the reason Imran averaged well over 40 bowling in the 4th innings was down to a lack of bowling skill.

That's nonsense, if for no other reason the 3rd batting innings is the one where he scored the least amount of runs at the lowest average, with the least amount of scores over 50, prior to bowling again. Hence spent the least amount of time at the crease before a spell.

The guy was great, but he just wasn't as consistently good away as he was at home. This is borne out in every single country, but doesn't make him not great.

 

[reyrey]

That's nonsense, if for no other reason the 3rd batting innings is the one where he scored the least amount of runs at the lowest average, with the least amount of scores over 50, prior to bowling again. Hence spent the least amount of time at the crease before a spell.

The guy was great, but he just wasn't as consistently good away as he was at home. This is borne out in every single country, but doesn't make him not great.

I was only talking about his away performances, so you're wrong as in away tests in the 3rd innings his batting average was 35.22 (home average in the 3rd innings was 15.6)

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Seriously though, I have never seen more excuses found for one cricketer.

Warne's broken toenail says hi

 

[Red]

Think it would be an amazing series.

Both teams have their weaknesses, not sure how Haydos responds to Marshall and Garner up front, does he and Langer five Australia the trade mark launch that was key to their domination? How does Punter hold up, that one I wouldn't hazard a guess.

Punter would be good against the WI, Hayden would be lucky to average 20 and Langer would struggle with being hit in the head constantly but might average 30

 

[TheJediBrah]

Punter would be good against the WI, Hayden would be lucky to average 20 and Langer would struggle with being hit in the head constantly but might average 30

They should pick Bevan

Averaged 55 with the bat and 17 with the ball against WI

 

[East Bay Ray]

The Invincibles
Morris
Barnes
Bradman
Hassett
Miller
Harvey
Johnson
Lindwall
Tallon
Johnston
Toshack

1984* Windies
Greenidge
Haynes
Richardson
Richards
Gomes
Lloyd
Dujon
Marshall
Garner
Holding
Walsh

2002 Aussies
Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Waugh
Waugh
Martyn
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
Gillespie
McGrath

U really need to go a bit earlier to get the strongest Windies team with the lethal pace attack.
Greenidge
Haynes
Richards
Kallicharan
Lloyd
Gomes/Rowe
Murray/Dujon
Marshall
Garner
Roberts
Holding

 

[Qlder]

U really need to go a bit earlier to get the strongest Windies team with the lethal pace attack.
Greenidge
Haynes
Richards
Kallicharan
Lloyd
Gomes/Rowe
Murray/Dujon
Marshall
Garner
Roberts
Holding

Marshall wasn't a regular WI bowler until late 1984 so what's your point?

 

[kyear2]

U really need to go a bit earlier to get the strongest Windies team with the lethal pace attack.
Greenidge
Haynes
Richards
Kallicharan
Lloyd
Gomes/Rowe
Murray/Dujon
Marshall
Garner
Roberts
Holding

I did list this team a little further into the thread. From '80.

 

[East Bay Ray]

I did list this team a little further into the thread. From '80.

Cool Sorry. I just couldnt muster the energy to wander all the way thru the thread.

Now i think about it i'm not sure if Malcolm Marshall ever got to play with Andy Roberts. Roberts was definitely the leader of that pace attack though. Marshall forced his way in toward his retirement from memory. Colin Croft definitely played with Roberts though.
The other one is when exactly Jeff Dujon got a gig. Derryk Murray a better keeper but Dujon a better bat and became an excellent keeper himself.
Couldnt be arsed looking it up.

 

[bagapath]

Cool Sorry. I just couldnt muster the energy to wander all the way thru the thread.

Now i think about it i'm not sure if Malcolm Marshall ever got to play with Andy Roberts. Roberts was definitely the leader of that pace attack though. Marshall forced his way in toward his retirement from memory. Colin Croft definitely played with Roberts though.
The other one is when exactly Jeff Dujon got a gig. Derryk Murray a better keeper but Dujon a better bat and became an excellent keeper himself.
Couldnt be arsed looking it up.

What a cool dude you are! Wonder why you bothered to comment at all!!!

Roberts and Marshall played 9 tests together.

 

[East Bay Ray]

What a cool dude you are! Wonder why you bothered to comment at all!!!

Roberts and Marshall played 9 tests together.

coz this cool dude felt like it. Why did it bother so much pissant ?

 

[bagapath]

coz this cool dude felt like it. Why did it bother so much pissant ?

What a cool dude you are!!!