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Greatest ever South African XI

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Hard to find fault with that team, although if the all time England team selects SF Barnes, there is another player who may come in handy:ph34r:
I picked him to open with Richards! Or are you thinking of someone else besides Taylor who was exceptional against Barney?
 
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Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, it was with great difficulty that I dropped Taylor, who was originally in my team, for Barlow. Must have been just about the only batsman to drive Barnes to "always X, always X" style distraction.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Looking at Dale Steyn recent performances. Don't want to overstate his achivements too early, but he well on his way to becoming the second best bolwer South Africa has produced since readmission behind Donald.

Since i think he has the overall tools to surpass Pollock & F De Villiers, if he hasn't already done that.

But how would rank in the list of great South Africa fast bowlers. This is what i think personally:

NOTE: The aparthied banished players are consider

Donald
P Pollock
Procter
Le Roux/Adcock
Steyn
S Pollock/De Bijil
Heine/F De Villiers

Thoughts?
 

Zinzan

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Still think Shaun Pollock was better than what we've currently seen from Steyn.
Would agree, but totally different bowlers for mine. Much easier to drawer comparisons between Donald & Steyn.

Still think Steyn has a chance end with a better test bowling record than Pollock, if injuries don't play a part. Although he'll never get within a dogs bollocks of being a better one-day bowler or obviously a better all-rounder than Pollock in either form of the game
 
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The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Looking at Dale Steyn recent performances. Don't want to overstate his achivements too early, but he well on his way to becoming the second best bolwer South Africa has produced since readmission behind Donald.

Since i think he has the overall tools to surpass Pollock & F De Villiers, if he hasn't already done that.

But how would rank in the list of great South Africa fast bowlers. This is what i think personally:

NOTE: The aparthied banished players are consider

Donald
P Pollock
Procter
Le Roux/Adcock
Steyn
S Pollock/De Bijil
Heine/F De Villiers

Thoughts?
I think you're criminally under-rating Shaun Pollock there mate - he was a magnificent bowler, I'd have him second only to Donald.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
8...Proctor ............25.1.....Med Fast...15.0
Not sure Mike Procter would be pleased to have his bowling described as Medium-Fast...

ps is this the longest ever gap between post and reply?
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
1. Barry Richards
2. Jimmy Cook
3. Jacques Kallis
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Colin Bland
6. Jonty Rhodes
7. Clive Rice (c)
8. Mike Procter
9. Mark Boucher (w)
10. Shaun Pollock
11. Allan Donald

Weaknesses
  • I'm not really a student of South African cricket and so I've not gone very heavily for the old-timers, particularly in the bowling department - I'm aware that in Heine, Adcock, Peter Pollock, Tayfield and the Edwardian leggies I'm probably omitting some people who deserve to get in.
  • Also the bowling attack has no spin option.
Strengths
  • the pace attack would be just about as good an attack as has ever played the game;
  • the top order of the batting has 3 great batsmen;
  • the team has 10 batsmen;
  • Rhodes and Bland play as fielder/batsmen all-rounders (a luxury permitted by the obscene quality of the fast-bowling all-rounders available) and I can't imagine there are many better fielders who've ever played.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
You know, the first time I looked-up Colin Bland I was amazed to find-out how good his Test record as a batsman was. Such a shame he played (like all SAfricans of his time) so few Tests. His First-Class average is no more than moderate, so it'd be interesting to see how it'd have changed with more games.

As for the bowling, I'd find it almost impossible not to have Neil Adcock in there somewhere, however few Tests he played, reckon only Donald of SA bowlers was better, and would happily sacrifice Pollock's batting.

Also the wristspin trio of Schwarz, Vogler and Faulkner is an interesting one as there's no doubt that until the excellent seamers of the 1950s and 1960s they were South Africa's best-ever bowlers. Faulkner what's more was of course an all-rounder. I don't think I can find a place for any of them, unfortunately, but if we went half-and-half-ish on decades (ie, 1905/06-1960 and 1961-2008), then they'd all be automatic picks.

Also Lindsay would be my wicketkeeper-batsman every time. Thus, I'd end-up with something like:
Mitchell
Barry Richards
Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Barlow
Dudley Nourse (c)
Lindsay (w)
Peter Pollock \ Rice
Procter
Donald
Adcock

Apart from Nourse, all are from the 1950s and onwards.

Second XI:
Smith (c)
McGlew
Gary Kirsten
Cullinan
Eric Rowan
McMillan
Faulkner
Shaun Pollock
Boucher
Schwarz \ Vogler
de Villiers
Perhaps with only players whose careers are over or much closer to the end than beginning considered (ie, no Steyn, Duminy or ABdeV).

And STILL no room for such all-rounders as Goddard and such bowlers as Heine, Ntini and (if on uncovered wickets) Tayfield. Interesting how relatively few batsmen of excellence SA have had though.
 

neville cardus

International Debutant
When people talk about great XI's, West Indies, Australia, Pakistan, India & England are the common countries talked about while others countries are payed much attention to. I read an article about the SA team that beat Australia 4-0 in 1969-70 & boy if you look at the talent they had in the 60's & 80's combine it with some of the top players they have produced since their readmission to international cricket you would get a one of the best all time XI's & aslo its disappointing that they had race problems since they had some of the best crickets who never had the chance to really state their claim at test level.
1. Barry Richards
2. Gary Kirsten
3. Jaques Kallis
4. Graeme Pollock * - Captain
Pollock was many things, but why make him captain when you have such brains as Richards and Barlow at your disposal?
 

neville cardus

International Debutant
Donald
P Pollock
Procter
Le Roux/Adcock
Steyn
S Pollock/De Bijil
Heine/F De Villiers
Big Vince is supremely underrated, which is peculiar when one considers the average cricketing pundit's obsession with statistics. 'Ave a look at 'em and be amazed. I'm not sure he wasn't the best of the lot.
 
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neville cardus

International Debutant
Not sure Mike Procter would be pleased to have his bowling described as Medium-Fast...
ps is this the longest ever gap between post and reply?
If it was, it isn't any more.

<crack of thunder; burst of lightning>

MWAHAHAHA!
 
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aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I think you're criminally under-rating Shaun Pollock there mate - he was a magnificent bowler, I'd have him second only to Donald.
To quote Ian Chappell, in the comparison of McGrath to Lillee & Lindwall.

Procter, Adcock, P Pollock, Le Roux had all of S Pollocks skills plus a extra 10ks in pace.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Pollock was many things, but why make him captain when you have such brains as Richards and Barlow at your disposal?
Well when i made this thread in early 05, i wasn't as clear on the history SA cricket as i am now. But after studying it, the best SA XI that i've come up with overtime with Clive Rice as captain is:

Bruce Mitchell
Barry Richards
Jacques Kallis
Grame Pollock
Dudley Nourse
Clive Rice*
Dennis Lindsay+
Mike Procter
Hugh Tayfield
Peter Pollock
Allan Donald
 

popepouri

State Vice-Captain
Barry Richards
Graeme Smith (think he'll go down as a great in the end)
Eddie Barlow
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
Clive Rice (c)
Aubrey Faulkner
Mark Boucher
Mike Proctor
Vince Van Der Bijl
Allan Donald
 
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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Always wished I knew for sure how good Vince van der Bijl was. To date, know nothing bar a simplistic career bowling-average (which admittedly at least gives some clue, but not THAT much).
 

Uppercut

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To quote Ian Chappell, in the comparison of McGrath to Lillee & Lindwall.

Procter, Adcock, P Pollock, Le Roux had all of S Pollocks skills plus a extra 10ks in pace.
Shaun Pollock was lightning-quick in his younger days y'know. It's easy to think of him as the brilliant line-and-length merchant he was just before he retired, but he wasn't always that way.
 

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