Graham Gooch vs Victor Trumper

[Wanna_Be_AB]

name a player and I'll tell you if I'm older or younger than them

Jaiswal

 

[Johan]

Jose Andrade.

sighs

Older than Root but younger than Rohit is all you're getting

 

[sayon basak]

Older than Root but younger than Rohit is all you're getting

So, 35.

Which is close to 40.

 

[Johan]

 

[sayon basak]

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You're closer to retirement than your prime.

 

[Johan]

Nah, I'd pull a Gooch

 

[capt_Luffy]

You're closer to retirement than your prime.

So closer to Rohit than Root??

 

[DrWolverine]

btw gonna sound like an old coot saying this but reading the writeups and countdowns of DoG’s bat and bowler threads and his methodology would be an awesome experience for you young whippersnappers @sayon basak @Johan @DrWolverine @capt_Luffy

Just ignore most of the shitposting and arguing between each player

Is 40s young nowadays?

 

[Coronis]

Is 40s young nowadays?

Young in terms of membership duh kiddo

 

[Johan]

Stats alone do massive injustice to Trumper tbh.

like with Botham

 

[Wanna_Be_AB]

Stats alone do massive injustice to Trumper tbh.

isn't the stats the result of a player's performance?
and if there is any injustice in that then it's the player who did the injustice with his talent

 

[sayon basak]

isn't the stats the result of a player's performance?
and if there is any injustice in that then it's the player who did the injustice with his talent

If struggling with several health conditions is his fault, then sure.

 

[DrWolverine]

Ken Barrington makes it to the top 10 on pretty much everyone list but no one rates him highly.

 

[sayon basak]

Ken Barrington makes it to the top 10 on pretty much everyone list but no one rates him highly.

Yeah he is very underrated. But don't expect everyone to rate him in the top 10. The PEWS Ranking had Chanderpaul at 13, DoG had Chanderpaul at 20; So, based on that, should we also rank Chanders in the top 20?

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah he is very underrated. But don't expect everyone to rate him in the top 10. The PEWS Ranking had Chanderpaul at 13, DoG had Chanderpaul at 20; So, based on that, should we also rank Chanders in the top 20?

Chanderpaul's the only batsman I've seen who I'm convinced just consciously played for his average every time he went out to bat. As a result he has a pretty average. Any analysis based primarily on average is going to over-rate him.

Barrington was a slow scorer and he over-performed in Tests but he wasn't just trying to rig the system.

 

[sayon basak]

Chanderpaul's the only batsman I've seen who I'm convinced just consciously played for his average every time he went out to bat. As a result he has a pretty average. Any analysis based primarily on average is going to over-rate him.

Barrington was a slow scorer and he over-performed in Tests but he wasn't just trying to rig the system.

Tbh, That could be said about Barrington too. Barrington was a dashing strokeplayer early in his career but when he was dropped by England, he vowed to get back in the side by never giving his wicket away so easily ever again.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yeah he is very underrated. But don't expect everyone to rate him in the top 10. The PEWS Ranking had Chanderpaul at 13, DoG had Chanderpaul at 20; So, based on that, should we also rank Chanders in the top 20?

Chanderpaul has many holes in his record.

Ken Barrington averaged 45 in WestIndies, 50 in England and 70+ in other countries he played.

 

[DrWolverine]

Tbh, That could be said about Barrington too. Barrington was a dashing strokeplayer early in his career but when he was dropped by England, he vowed to get back in the side by never giving his wicket away so easily ever again.

This makes me respect him even more. He found a chink in his armour, repaired it and went one to become arguably the toughest batsman to dismiss

 

[Prince EWS]

Tbh, That could be said about Barrington too. Barrington was a dashing strokeplayer early in his career but when he was dropped by England, he vowed to get back in the side by never giving his wicket away so easily ever again.

Barrington was trying to maximise his run-scoring. What Chanderpaul did was a whole other level - when batted with the tail he'd deliberately take singles to get them on strike so he could finish with not outs. He also refused to bat above 5 late in his career for presumably the same reason. I don't think either of those accusations have been levelled at Barrington - just "scored slowly, wasn't that great in county cricket".

 

[sayon basak]

Barrington was trying to maximise his run-scoring. What Chanderpaul did was a whole other level - when batted with the tail he'd deliberately take singles to get them on strike so he could finish with not outs. He also refused to bat above 5 late in his career for presumably the same reason. I don't think either of those accusations have been levelled at Barrington - just "scored slowly, wasn't that great in county cricket".

I never realized it was that bad, I apologize for comparing Barrington to him.

Actually the low average in FC is explainable. He played for Surrey; and throughout the 50s, the Oval was possibly the most bowler friendly pitch in the country.