Garry Sobers v Imran Khan,Test Cricket:Poll

[NasserFan207]

I have a strong fast bowler bias, so would take Imran over Sobers tbh. I rate bowling allrounders above batting ones.

 

[Borges]

I have a strong fast bowler bias, so would take Imran over Sobers tbh. I rate bowling allrounders above batting ones.

Agree with that.

Though, at his peak Sobers as a bowler was very good indeed.

Sobers head,imran heart.

I suspect that the vast majority of people who have actually seen Sobers play would unhesitatingly say 'Sobers heart'.

 

[Athlai]

Imran never being at his best with both bat and ball always hurts him in this argument. That and how Sobers is arguably the 2nd best batsman of all time.

 

[smash84]

Imran never being at his best with both bat and ball always hurts him in this argument. That and how Sobers is arguably the 2nd best batsman of all time.

True that Imran's combining both hurts him in this but I believe Imran's bowling cancels out Sobers batting. Both are among the top tier of their fields with marginal differences between the players in those fields. It might be that Sobers is right up there in the batting field and Imran a little lower in the bowlers but the differences at that level are so little that for all practical purposes they do cancel out each other

It is the weaker suit of both that comes into the equation and as mentions that some people find bowling all rounders to be more valuable hence I can see the argument why they may prefer Imran over Sobers.

 

[hang on]

the difference in their batting ability is, to me, in no way cancelled out by the difference in their bowling. additionally, sobers's ability to bowl spin also adds significant value to a team. and, if one were to bring in fielding, it is truly game, set, and match.

and this is from one who thinks that imran khan was one of the greatest cricketers of all time.

 

[smash84]

the difference in their batting ability is, to me, in no way cancelled out by the difference in their bowling. additionally, sobers's ability to bowl spin also adds significant value to a team. and, if one were to bring in fielding, it is truly game, set, and match.

and this is from one who thinks that imran khan was one of the greatest cricketers of all time.

But then you can make an argument for leadership that while Sobers was a decent captain Imran was outstanding at it, one of the greatest in the history of the game.

 

[hang on]

i agree that imran was a great leader of men, but leadership, as manifested in captaincy, is still an intangible skill and hence I am loath to incorporate it in my evealuation of a player's quality; on the other hand, batting, bowling, and fielding are tangible skills.

 

[sehwag fan]

But then you can make an argument for leadership that while Sobers was a decent captain Imran was outstanding at it, one of the greatest in the history of the game.

Won 1 test series outside sub-continent as captain.

W/L ratio less than Dhoni in test as well as ODI.

He was a great captain but not one of the greatest .

 

[smash84]

Won 1 test series outside sub-continent as captain.

W/L ratio less than Dhoni in test as well as ODI.

He was a great captain but not one of the greatest .

Another LIE and made up statistics. Beat India in India. Also beat England in England.........lol.....dude stop making a fool of yourself (which you already have I must say)

 

[smash84]

i agree that imran was a great leader of men, but leadership, as manifested in captaincy, is still an intangible skill and hence I am loath to incorporate it in my evealuation of a player's quality; on the other hand, batting, bowling, and fielding are tangible skills.

Yes but fielding does not give any player so much of an edge of others. It is very very marginal.

 

[sehwag fan]

Another LIE and made up statistics. Beat India in India. Also beat England in England.........lol.....dude stop making a fool of yourself (which you already have I must say)

So England is not out of sub-continent.

And that was the only series he won outside sub-continent.

And how many wickets did he take in the Bangalore test=0.

Dude your Imran fan-boyism is embarassing.Give up.

His W/L ratio is less than Dhoni in test as well as ODI.

Dhoni has not lost a test series as captain.

 

[smash84]

So England is not out of sub-continent.

And that was the only series he won outside sub-continent.

And how many wickets did he take in the Bangalore test=0.

Dude your Imran fan-boyism is embarassing.Give up.

His W/L ratio is less than Dhoni in test as well as ODI.

Dhoni has not lost a test series as captain.

Oh my bad......read that wrong

So what if he took 0 wickets. The match situation did not require him to bowl.

So what if his win loss ratio is worse than Dhoni. If Javed miandad or Salim Malik have a better W/L ratio than Dhoni then they are better captains ???

 

[Howe_zat]

Yep, winning Test series against top opposition outside the subcontinent is all that counts. Obviously. As we all know, India's record outside Asia during Imran's time was exemplary.

And on that front, Dhoni obviously has one over on Imran. I mean, Imran had one measly, pathetic series win in England. It's not like England had never lost to Pakistan at home before. Compare that to Dhoni's record outside the subcontinent, where he has that true jewel in his crown, a win over New Zealand's possibly strongest ever team. And no massive innings defeats to speak of either, ofc.

 

[sehwag fan]

Oh my bad......read that wrong

So what if he took 0 wickets. The match situation did not require him to bowl.

So what if his win loss ratio is worse than Dhoni. If Javed miandad or Salim Malik have a better W/L ratio than Dhoni then they are better captains ???

Did those two win WC . ?

 

[smash84]

Did those two win WC . ?

dude on CW we usually discuss test match cricket unless stated otherwise. Dhoni can be the greatest ODI player and captain. Doesn't really matter to me. In fact if you want a rating of top ODI players I would find it difficult to place Imran in top 25.

We are talking about test matches here dude........

And yeah while everybody was getting beaten by the WI left right and center Imran never lost a series to them

 

[sehwag fan]

Yep, winning Test series against top opposition outside the subcontinent is all that counts. Obviously. As we all know, India's record outside Asia during Imran's time was exemplary.

And on that front, Dhoni obviously has one over on Imran. I mean, Imran had one measly, pathetic series win in England. It's not like England had never lost to Pakistan at home before. Compare that to Dhoni's record outside the subcontinent, where he has that true jewel in his crown, a win over New Zealand's possibly strongest ever team. And no massive innings defeats to speak of either, ofc.

The same England side lost 2-0 to India in 1986.

Dhoni has a drawn test series in SA. Defeated England, OZ, SL, NZ at home.

 

[sehwag fan]

dude on CW we usually discuss test match cricket unless stated otherwise. Dhoni can be the greatest ODI player and captain. Doesn't really matter to me. In fact if you want a rating of top ODI players I would find it difficult to place Imran in top 25.

We are talking about test matches here dude........

And yeah while everybody was getting beaten by the WI left right and center Imran never lost a series to them

Ganguly was the only captain to win a test series against full-strength side OZ in 2001 and drew in 2004. Does that make Ganguly one of the greatest captain ever?

 

[hang on]

Yes but fielding does not give any player so much of an edge of others. It is very very marginal.

i can certainly understand that some would consider it marginal.

i don't, personally, especially in the case of someone like sobers, who was superb in all facets of fielding, including standing close in to the spinners. that man man truly was a freak!

he was the apotheosis of an allrounder.

 

[Howe_zat]

i can certainly understand that some would consider it marginal.

i don't, personally, especially in the case of someone like sobers, who was superb in all facets of fielding, including standing close in to the spinners. that man man truly was a freak!

he was the apotheosis of an allrounder.

You can't win the debate by using more obscure words than the other person.

By and large I agree. Sobers' versatility is what sets him apart.

 

[smash84]

You can't win the debate by using more obscure words than the other person.

By and large I agree. Sobers' versatility is what sets him apart.

lol......that was my first thought too