Chappell is only doing what he thinks is best for the team and unlike Wright, he is not intimidated by egocentric maharajas who are unwilling to face reality. Let's just hope the BCCI have the common sense to keep him because it's for sure that either Ganguly or Chappell has gotta go. "It's a marriage that ended in divorce even before the honeymoon."adharcric said:
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Ganguly: once a hero, now an embarrassment ...
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Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Really ? How much biased one has to be to think that Chappell didn't cross the line here and was not wrong.adharcric said:
So Ganguly goes to the coach and asks the Coach that who should be included in the final XI, Yuvraj or Kaif. Coach says the ideal Indan middle order should have both Yuvraj and Kaif(which basically will mean only one thing - that Ganguly should drop himself to include both Yuvraj and Kaif) .
Ganguly, in utter disbelief at what his coach had just said asks him if he was Serious, Coach says "he should consider the long-term future of Indian cricket and think about his legacy rather than his immediate future.......it was a decision that he should take himself, and if and when he chose to step down, he should do so with good grace"
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
You know what Chappel isn't 1 % as good as John Wright. Chappell has achieved nothing yet and mark my words he will never do as India coach. So think before you bad-mouth Wright. When he quit, he was considered one of the top coaches in the world.shoot_me said:
If Ganguly has a problem with his batting, isn't the Coach's job to help him out, sort it out ? Should we understand that Coach has given up on him before the season even started ? If Ganguly has failed with the bat then isn't it Chappell's failure as well ?
Oh No, Let me guess we are back into the Ganguly Bashing Mode, so let's ignore everything else and just bash him.
Don't understand why so many Indians seem to have such a problem with Ganguly. From outside he seems to be one of the best captains India have ever had. If his batting form is jeopardising his place in the team, then every attempt should be first made to remedy that rather than just kicking him out.
open365
International Vice-Captain
whooo,slow down there sanz.
i never really understood what goes on in Indian cricket,but it seems to me as if the popularity of the game has got something to do with the side under-performing.
why did they sack John Wright?
he seemed like a very good coach to me.
ganguly is bating crap right?but aren't the rest of the team?
i never really understood what goes on in Indian cricket,but it seems to me as if the popularity of the game has got something to do with the side under-performing.
why did they sack John Wright?
he seemed like a very good coach to me.
ganguly is bating crap right?but aren't the rest of the team?
adharcric
International Coach
Let's get one thing straight. Chappell and Ganguly both acted immaturely in this situation, Chappell for telling this to Ganguly amidst a test match and Ganguly for spilling it in public and distorting the focus of the team. Still, I think Chappell gave Ganguly an earnest suggestion (he didnt even tell him to step down, simply said what he should consider for the long-term good of the team and the short-term benefit of his personal batting) and Ganguly should've taken it like a professional and not an insecure coward. He knows he has to improve his batting to deserve his place in the team. If we want to play like Australia, we need to have professional policies like them and not bow down to ego-ridden individuals like Ganguly. Steve Waugh was also a pretty damn successful captain for Australia, but there wasn't such a commotion when his time was over.
Here's to hoping that Ganguly suddenly returns to form and ends this debate.
Here's to hoping that Ganguly suddenly returns to form and ends this debate.
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Hmm I don't know...I don't think Chappell did anything THAT bad in having a private conversation with Ganguly - Ganguly then decided to make that public, which IMO he shouldn't have done. Perhaps Chappell should've gone to the selectors first, but perhaps he just wanted to let Ganguly know of what he thought should be done?? The thing is, none of us know the relationship between Ganguly and Chappell and how it functions - it could be that Chappell felt he could tell Ganguly of his intentions because he thought Ganguly would be able to take it...
jlo33692
U19 Debutant
Excellent point Dasa, If you think about it what would have Ganguly said if he had gone to the selectors first before his captain . I just have trouble thinking that chappell has gone in to do the dirty work.I dont believe that i feel he is independant ,honest,and has a job to do. Your point about Ganguly bringing in the media is very very relevant. Would say Ricky Ponting,M Vaughan do this ?Dasa said:
we dont know but i suspect not. My gut feel is Chappell is trying to sort out Indian cricket and Ganguly is a rock that is not wanting to budge. this should all be sorted out behind closed doors but someone has brought in the media to help ,India must let the person they appointed to make his decisions or just appoint the captain as the coach and stay pretty much the same.IMO
Shounak
Banned
Sanz is right..
Ganguly has been unfairly maligned.. The media seem to hate his guts.. I think it's just his arrogance.. That's what I like most about him..
He's one of the only players in the world who could act as a specialist captain.. His support of the younger players is amazing.. Simply supporting Pathan and Patel, both as players and in their confrontations with senior members of the Australian team were the traits of a very good leader..
It's very unfortunate he hasn't been performing.. But what's even more unfortunate is that I don't think anyone in the current team can fill his boots (from a pure captaincy stance, not individual statistics)..
Ganguly has been unfairly maligned.. The media seem to hate his guts.. I think it's just his arrogance.. That's what I like most about him..
He's one of the only players in the world who could act as a specialist captain.. His support of the younger players is amazing.. Simply supporting Pathan and Patel, both as players and in their confrontations with senior members of the Australian team were the traits of a very good leader..
It's very unfortunate he hasn't been performing.. But what's even more unfortunate is that I don't think anyone in the current team can fill his boots (from a pure captaincy stance, not individual statistics)..
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Hahah what??! Ganguly a specialist captain? I've always supported Ganguly's captaincy, but a great captain he is not. He's been rather fortunate to have been a part of a team of stars...tactically he really isn't that good. His support of younger players may have been good, but he's also guilty of supporting those he loves (despite their obvious weaknesses) to the detriment of others. Yuvraj shouldn't get a look into the Test team, yet Ganguly insisted he be included as opener...several other players have been constantly overlooked because of Ganguly's favourites.shounak said:
Deja moo
International Captain
I agree with Dasa. Once the Indian players form started wavering, Ganguly has really been exposed as a toothless tiger. Hes captaincy has been far too dependant on a whole lot of Indian players being in good form for an extended period of time.
Besides, I was always taught that washing the dirty linen in public is one of the most despicable acts one could perform. Chappell had absolutely every right in telling Ganguly that he didnt deserve his place in the team. It seems many of the posters here would rather prefer sycophants who keep sucking up to the guy they support ( whats that word Sanz ? coterie ?). What prevented Ganguly from spilling the beans on the first days morning itself ? Of course, going along with his delusions of grandeur, he probably feels he has spectacularly redeemed himself by letting the world know about the behind-the-scenes action after his blazing 263 ball century against the kings of cricket. After all, why risk having your nose rubbed in the sand by disclosing this before the innings, when you're not sure of playing a good innings ?
Besides, I was always taught that washing the dirty linen in public is one of the most despicable acts one could perform. Chappell had absolutely every right in telling Ganguly that he didnt deserve his place in the team. It seems many of the posters here would rather prefer sycophants who keep sucking up to the guy they support ( whats that word Sanz ? coterie ?). What prevented Ganguly from spilling the beans on the first days morning itself ? Of course, going along with his delusions of grandeur, he probably feels he has spectacularly redeemed himself by letting the world know about the behind-the-scenes action after his blazing 263 ball century against the kings of cricket. After all, why risk having your nose rubbed in the sand by disclosing this before the innings, when you're not sure of playing a good innings ?
Shounak
Banned
He does have some glaring weaknesses, but I doubt the Indian team would be what they are (were a few years ago?) if it weren't for Ganguly. The ball really got rolling with India's victory over Australia in India, 2001. That was a mammoth event, which I think was won with "mental disintegration". Ganguly had the balls to take Steve Waugh on and it only got better from then.Dasa said:
But yes, he does support his favorite players. I can't think of any other reason why KKD Karthik wasn't considered until Patel bolloxed up so bad, that even Zimbabwe wouldn't take him.
My main is point is that, from 2001, no-one else could have taken the reigns for India and dragged them out of the sh*t like Ganguly did.
Until India become a real team of champions, with bucket loads of confidence. An aggressive captain is needed. That's why I like the idea of Pathan becoming a captain, not just yet though..
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
I agree with all of that, but I think it's time to go for Ganguly. He has done a LOT of good in the past, but he should realise that his time is up (or should be up at any rate) and go with dignity. Otherwise he'll just be remembered for being axed while whinging, instead of as one of the best things to happen to Indian cricket.shounak said:
On the subject of captaincy, I'm not a fan of "aggressive" captains - unless they have something to back it up...I'd prefer someone with tactical nous and good instincts..like a Fleming or even Vaughan. Dravid IMO should take over now.
Shounak
Banned
See, on its own I do think that Ganguly is pretty much done and dusted. He may produce a few good knocks, but I it'll be like morse code. Dot Dot Dot Dot Dot Dot Dash.. So I understand all that..Dasa said:
Fleming and Vaughan are two examples of fairly laid back captain who are excellent at what they do. I would rate Fleming higher then Vaughan but thats OT.
I don't think Dravid could handle captaining India. A few matches, of course he could but not for good. I think Dravid could get away with captaining a team like Australia but not India.
Hypothetically, if Dravid did captain India in 2001, he would have done nothing against SR Waugh and I'd imagine that Australia would have prevailed. I just can't picture Dravid taking on the opposition, like is necesary for an Indian captain.
I just think that India need a strong back bone in the team to support them. Australia don't need it as much, because they not only are a team of champions, but aggressive ones who always hold their ground. Even a player like Michael Clarke. Got into bit of a bout with Flintoff, hardly an event though.
I seriously can't see any other alternatives. That's why I'd prefer keeping Ganguly as a specialist captain.