Fringe Aussie fringe Players who would excel in other teams..

[social]

Why did you sensationalise the quote in your original piece then?

That's a lot different to what you have in this above quote.

It was at a dinner party.

The conversation lasted several hours, during which several Steinlagers were consumed.

Unfortunately, a couple of the players, when discussing the disappointments of the Test Series after the event, agreed that at least they were returning home with their bodies intact which might not have been the case had they faced Lee in the form he showed in the nets.

The comments did not go down well and were taken by some in attendance (I was not at the post-mortem, I am relaying to you the contents of a conversation after the event) to indicate a less than exemplary attitude.

If my previous comments exaggerated the above, I apologise.

 

[Smudge]

It was at a dinner party.

The conversation lasted several hours, during which several Steinlagers were consumed.

Unfortunately, a couple of the players, when discussing the disappointments of the Test Series after the event, agreed that at least they were returning home with their bodies intact which might not have been the case had they faced Lee in the form he showed in the nets.

The comments did not go down well and were taken by some in attendance (I was not at the post-mortem, I am relaying to you the contents of a conversation after the event) to indicate a less than exemplary attitude.

If my previous comments exaggerated the above, I apologise.

Ah, so now it's in fact second-hand information not:

I got that from the horse's mouth);

as you suggested earlier.

Carry on.

 

[age_master]

Simon Katich would make no side as an opening-batsman.

yeah he would.

 

[social]

Ah, so now it's in fact second-hand information not:



as you suggested earlier.

Carry on.

OK Voltman, you win!

He (being a friend of over 10 years) didnt say that certain Kiwis admitted to being intimidated by Brett Lee.

He didnt say that the Kiwis felt that touring teams felt that Shane Warne was favoured by umpires in Australia (despite umpires being neutral nowadays).

He didnt say that Stephen Fleming should stand down from the Kiwi captaincy sooner rather than later.

And he certainly didnt say that Graham Henry was *ahem* not a very nice person (he couldnt have said that because he has no affiliation with the All Blacks).

Next time you need to discover what people didnt say, I'm your man!

 

[Smudge]

OK Voltman, you win!

That's all I needed to read...

 

[marc71178]

Brett Lee might not be preforming as well as he had at the start of his career but i doubt their would be too many 3rd Seamers who would keep him out of any test side apart from Kaspra.

We're happy with Flintoff thank you.

 

[Richard]

yeah he would.

No, he would not.
He's not an opener and hardly anyone who's not an opener will ever have success attempting to open the batting in Test-cricket.
That doesn't mean he's not a very fine player indeed, but not being an opener isn't exactly something there's shame in.

 

[Jono]

The stuff being posted in here about Hussey, MacGill, Hodge etc. not being able to walk into any other test team is crap. The people posting this stuff need to remember the fact that Australia has anihalated every team it's played over the last few years, and that the standard of play in Pura Cup/ING is so much higher than anywhere else in the world.

As I said earlier, if all these 'fringe' players played for international sides they would eventually have to face the Australians. A bowling line up consisting of McGrath, Warne, Gillespie and Kaspa. It's common knowledge that the Australian bowling line-up is easily the best in the world. These batsman would like mighty ordinary facing up to them under international pressures.

The reason international batsman often fail against Australia, yet succeed against other nations is because of Australia's awesome bowling line up. They make fairly good batsman look ordinary (note, I didn't say the top batsman such as Lara, Sachin, Kallis etc.). You put Hodge, Hussey and whomever you like against McGrath and Gillespie bowling in tandem... say goodnight.

It is for this reason that many (not all, I'd like Katich and Kaspa in my team) fringe players would not simply walk in to any test team. They haven't faced the great bowling that the batsman in the English, Indian, Pakistani and all test teams have had to endure.

 

[Craig]

face it Craig, you will never be right

Wouldn't always say that.

Some things I have been right about, maybe you have been listening too much too Andre (whom I used to find a good guy but an annoying...)

But hey your right I wouldn't even no the difference between a wicket keeper and a flipper.

 

[Craig]

No, he would not.
He's not an opener and hardly anyone who's not an opener will ever have success attempting to open the batting in Test-cricket.
That doesn't mean he's not a very fine player indeed, but not being an opener isn't exactly something there's shame in.

What about Virender Sehwag? He isn't really an opener, but to date he has been pretty successfull opening (admittley with some luck), Justin Langer started his career as a number 3 and I believe he still does when he plays a rare game for WA, but opens and has been very successfull as an opener.

 

[thierry henry]

Fringe allrounders such as Watson, Hopes and Thornely could easily be performing the Razzaq/Mahmood role late in the Pakistani order, with a heap more success than the incumbents.

lmao. You've got to be taking the ****. As if Hopes or Thornley could do the things Razzaq does.

 

[James Kinna]

i agree with most of what you've said, but i think that if Symonds had more experience at test match cricket from a young age, he could of developed a better game for test match cricket. The guy is freak athlete and has a lot of potential, not even yet lived up to in oneday cricket. So, yes, he has been a victom from Australias greatest era, in another country he would have been picked young and would be soundly in most teams.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

No, he would not.
He's not an opener and hardly anyone who's not an opener will ever have success attempting to open the batting in Test-cricket.
That doesn't mean he's not a very fine player indeed, but not being an opener isn't exactly something there's shame in.

So you say he would not be able to crack a game as an opener is Zimbabwe or Bangladesh?

 

[Zinzan]

We're happy with Flintoff thank you.

Good for you. You can keep him. What a world beater he is. Fancy having a testclass allrounder like Flintoff who averages 31 with and bat and 36 with the ball. Must be bliss.

Forget about the true great allrounders, Sobers, Botham, Hadlee, Dev, Cairns, Imran etc etc. You have Flintoff

 

[cric_manic]

carines 33 with the bat and 29 with the ball
flintoff and carines almost equal with the bat but carines the better bowler by a country mile

 

[marc71178]

Good for you. You can keep him. What a world beater he is. Fancy having a testclass allrounder like Flintoff who averages 31 with and bat and 36 with the ball. Must be bliss.

Until you look at his figures over more recent times (such as when he actually became fit to bowl)

I believe in 2004 it was something like over 50 with the bat and under 25 with the ball.

 

[marc71178]

carines 33 with the bat and 29 with the ball
flintoff and carines almost equal with the bat but carines the better bowler by a country mile

Over a whole career maybe - but 2 things - Flintoff's record includes a long time when he wasn't actually bowling properly, and also since Cairns has retired from the game, you can only compare them on something they both play...

 

[Jono]

I believe in 2004 it was something like over 50 with the bat and under 25 with the ball.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Flintoff had a good 2004.

 

[Zinzan]

i agree with most of what you've said, but i think that if Symonds had more experience at test match cricket from a young age, he could of developed a better game for test match cricket. The guy is freak athlete and has a lot of potential, not even yet lived up to in oneday cricket. So, yes, he has been a victom from Australias greatest era, in another country he would have been picked young and would be soundly in most teams.

I agree on Symonds......His critics will argue that his failure in his long test career of 2 innings would suggest he wouldn't make it as test batsmen. Thankfully these same critics weren't the selectors early on in the careers of Gooch and Crowe and a few others.

I'm not suggesting Symond's would be a test batsmen in the class of Crowe given the chance. But can't see why he wouldn't be a more than useful middleorder test batsman.

 

[Mr Casson]

I'm not suggesting Symond's would be a test batsmen in the class of Crowe given the chance. But can't see why he wouldn't be a more than useful middleorder test batsman.

Because 'useful' isn't world-class, which is what Australia is trying to keep up.