Fringe Aussie fringe Players who would excel in other teams..

[mavric41]

Lee looked awesome again in the 20/20

Yes - but not as good as Kaspa.

 

[tooextracool]

Pre-war batsmen did not suffer a multitude of serious injuries despite:

a. playing with less protection;

b. against more frequently taken new balls; and

c. on wickets that, in general, were not as well prepared as they are today.

Given the above, it is safe to assume that bowlers of that era were not as threatening as those of the last 30 years and, as such, it is not fair to compare batsmen from the 2 times.

perhaps its because the quality of the batting was better?
most of the players who did play at the time have suggested that the bowlers were just as quick as they are now. not to mention of course that speed doesnt make you a better bowler.

a. more frequently taken new balls;

b. hand made balls which generally had a more pronounced seam than today's machine-made variety;.

both of which help batsmen like hayden ATM.

c. more bowler friendly pitches (in Aus, Eng, and SA) at least;;.

again, you've just explained why hayden is so much better off in this era. you might also want to note that SA never played cricket in the 80s.

d. the unlimited bouncer rule; and;;.

which if i remember correctly was changed in the 70s.

e. more rest between matches.;;.

again it woudl suggest that bowlers would be more fit than they are now, again something that helps hayden. although one must wonder how fit those bowlers would have been had they been benefitted with some of the modern training and exercising equipment.

Given the above, one cannot unequivocally state that Marshall is greater than, say, McGrath or Pollock and likewise one cannot state that Hayden would certainly fail against that era's bowling despite being amongst the most successful of this decade.

one can clearly state that if hayden played like he does now, he would be a miserable failure in the 80s. likewise no one actually rated pollock as anywhere near marshall. one must remember that marshall had a great record in india and pakistan on pitches that were just as flat as anything this decade, and he did not have the benefit of bowling against mediocre sides like b'desh and zimbabwe.

 

[tooextracool]

I will remind you that I'm a NZ'er. Therefore why would I adopt that philosophy? There are plenty of Australian cricketers that I have criticised when they haven't played well over the years. Just like recently I stated I believed It made sense to Drop Lehmann. Not that I think he's "useless", just that I think there a better options for aust at the moment. ....

and i think theres a better option than hayden at the moment, hence i would drop hayden.

It just happens that I don't agree with your constant slagging of Hayden (one of the great modern day test openers)....

or one of the most overrated openers.

and Lee (who seems to be in the best bowling form of his career).)....

or periods of form that hes had before and still been rubbish in test match cricket. not to mention that kaspa is in the best form of his career, and hes struggling to make the side.

Given your fickle and inconclusive arguments against them - especially Hayden, (thats hardly anyone agrees with) , its not suprising that someone would suggest you had voodoo dolls....

not many people agree with it yes, most are cautious, because they know that hayden has shown weaknesses against seam and swing.

 

[Zinzan]

and i think theres a better option than hayden at the moment, hence i would drop hayden.



or one of the most overrated openers.



or periods of form that hes had before and still been rubbish in test match cricket. not to mention that kaspa is in the best form of his career, and hes struggling to make the side.



not many people agree with it yes, most are cautious, because they know that hayden has shown weaknesses against seam and swing.

If they agreed, then they would say so....simple...This forum is not like the "real media" where people are careful about what they say. I'd like to think on these types of Forum's people will say what they think and hardly anyone else shares your sediments on Hayden. Your Virtually a loner with that view and you never let it rest.

Lee was again far more dangerous than Kaspa again in the last onedayer....just like the last onedayers against NZ in Aust. I think you'll get a nasty shock if he does manage to get back into the test side in England, I believe he's bowling much better now than any other period of his career, even in oneday cricket.

Funny that as a kiwi I wish they had dropped Hayden and Lee b4 that last onedayer the other night....If they had of, NZ would have won. Hayden topped scored from memory and Lee was clearly the next best bowler after Mcgrath ....Again (like his other shocker against NZ in Melbourne, before he was dropped for the sydney onedayer) Kaspa was the weak link. 0/60 off 10 for kaspa and 3-41off 9 for Lee...

 

[Zinzan]

No reply TEC?

 

[social]

TEC believes Hayden cant score runs on seaming pitches and Richard believes that luck is the only thing that allows McGrath to take wickets on pitches that dont seam or fluctuate in bounce.

Given the above, when Hayden scores runs, McGrath would be lucky to take wickets and vise versa

 

[dudeurfriend]

Hey people, All batsman hit a rough patch in a while...
Hayden has just come into a bit of form with a good 71...
So it is not the time to drop hayden
Just dont forget he has hit 380 runs in a test match in within 500 balss
He is also good in ODI....
He can easily hit sixes with great power..
So hayden should be in the team......

 

[vic_orthdox]

i've got a mate playing club cricket who can hit sixes with great power. maybe he'll play for australia

 

[dudeurfriend]

lol vic.....

 

[mavric41]

i've got a mate playing club cricket who can hit sixes with great power. maybe he'll play for australia

Maybe

So when was the last time he scored 380?

 

[Zinzan]

If only TEC and RIchard were Aussie selectors. The rest of the world would have a chance. Suddenly no Hayden, Lee and Mcgrath

 

[tooextracool]

If they agreed, then they would say so....simple...This forum is not like the "real media" where people are careful about what they say. I'd like to think on these types of Forum's people will say what they think and hardly anyone else shares your sediments on Hayden. Your Virtually a loner with that view and you never let it rest..

and your point is? as far as im concerned, ive backed my claim up, you certainly havent. all you've said is the same random garbage about how hes the best opener this decade with the best average, without being able to come up with any facts.

Lee was again far more dangerous than Kaspa again in the last onedayer....just like the last onedayers against NZ in Aust.

oh what an achievement!! he bowled better than kaspa in 2 ODIs!! give him a medal, as opposed to the countless times that kaspa out performed lee during the vb series and the whole of last year.

I think you'll get a nasty shock if he does manage to get back into the test side in England, I believe he's bowling much better now than any other period of his career, even in oneday cricket.

you must be a joker. let me hear you explain why kaspa should be dropped let alone lee be picked. you dont just drop a proven bowler based on someone whos been performing in ODIs and has been a failure in tests. if australia had bowlers like bracken and williams in the side, then yes id see a case for lee's selection, but only a fool would pick him ahead of kaspa.

Funny that as a kiwi I wish they had dropped Hayden and Lee b4 that last onedayer the other night....If they had of, NZ would have won. Hayden topped scored from memory and Lee was clearly the next best bowler after Mcgrath ....Again (like his other shocker against NZ in Melbourne, before he was dropped for the sydney onedayer) Kaspa was the weak link. 0/60 off 10 for kaspa and 3-41off 9 for Lee...

yes they played well in 1 game, fabulous, it means that they are proven world class players now, even if hayden failed in the last 10. not to mention of course that hayden's slow scoring nearly cost australia the game.

 

[tooextracool]

If only TEC and RIchard were Aussie selectors. The rest of the world would have a chance. Suddenly no Hayden, Lee and Mcgrath

except that neither of us have suggested that mcgrath should be dropped, or that hayden shouldnt be playing in tests.

 

[Zinzan]

and your point is? as far as im concerned, ive backed my claim up, you certainly havent. all you've said is the same random garbage about how hes the best opener this decade with the best average, without being able to come up with any facts.



oh what an achievement!! he bowled better than kaspa in 2 ODIs!! give him a medal, as opposed to the countless times that kaspa out performed lee during the vb series and the whole of last year.



you must be a joker. let me hear you explain why kaspa should be dropped let alone lee be picked. you dont just drop a proven bowler based on someone whos been performing in ODIs and has been a failure in tests. if australia had bowlers like bracken and williams in the side, then yes id see a case for lee's selection, but only a fool would pick him ahead of kaspa.



yes they played well in 1 game, fabulous, it means that they are proven world class players now, even if hayden failed in the last 10. not to mention of course that hayden's slow scoring nearly cost australia the game.

1) You haven't backed up your claim at all you plonker. Saying he doesn't play well on seaming tracks and eluding to 2 or 3 games where you know he failed proves absolutely nothing. If you understood statistics and sample sizes you'd know that. But even the concept would be way above your head. Your supposed claim is "laughable".

2) You haven't watched much cricket recently if you believe its only the 2nd time Lee's out bowled Kaspa. Better judges than you (who actually know their cricket) voted him VB player of the series. Did Kaspa out bowl him in this series as well?? No he didn't. And Clearly Lee's been more of a danger against Aussie's main oneday Rival New Zealand or would you disagree with that as well.

Are you saying your top Aust one-day attack would be Mcgrath, Gillispie, and Kaspa and no Lee?? Just wanting clarification.

 

[social]

1) You haven't backed up your claim at all you plonker. Saying he doesn't play well on seaming tracks and eluding to 2 or 3 games where you know he failed proves absolutely nothing. If you understood statistics and sample sizes you'd know that. But even the concept would be way above your head. Your supposed claim is "laughable".

2) You haven't watched much cricket recently if you believe its only the 2nd time Lee's out bowled Kaspa. Better judges than you (who actually know their cricket) voted him VB player of the series. Did Kaspa out bowl him in this series as well?? No he didn't. And Clearly Lee's been more of a danger against Aussie's main oneday Rival New Zealand or would you disagree with that as well.

Are you saying your top Aust one-day attack would be Mcgrath, Gillispie, and Kaspa and no Lee?? Just wanting clarification.

Now is about the time that TEC usually leaves a thread without trace.

 

[Zinzan]

Now is about the time that TEC usually leaves a thread without trace.

Yes ...looking for an easier battle no doubt. Probably about to reply to one of Richard's posts

 

[Zinzan]

Another awful performance By Hayden and Lee again last night aye TEC !!

 

[Zinzan]

TEC's gone missing as Hayden and Lee show their class

 

[tooextracool]

TEC's gone missing as Hayden and Lee show their class

wow a whole 2 games, give those 2 medals. of course lee bowling well in ODIs doesnt exactly go on to prove anything, because ive never claimed that he was useless in ODIs.

 

[tooextracool]

1) You haven't backed up your claim at all you plonker. Saying he doesn't play well on seaming tracks and eluding to 2 or 3 games where you know he failed proves absolutely nothing. If you understood statistics and sample sizes you'd know that. But even the concept would be way above your head. Your supposed claim is "laughable".

are you blind? point out 1, just one inning where hayden has scored on a seamer friendly wicket, and i'll admit that i was wrong. fact is everytime hes played on it, hes looked like a complete novice, and ive proved it to you by showing you far more than 2-3 games.

2) You haven't watched much cricket recently if you believe its only the 2nd time Lee's out bowled Kaspa. Better judges than you (who actually know their cricket) voted him VB player of the series. Did Kaspa out bowl him in this series as well?? No he didn't. And Clearly Lee's been more of a danger against Aussie's main oneday Rival New Zealand or would you disagree with that as well.

kaspa didnt bowl better than lee in the vb series, because he wasnt picked. no surprise though that kaspa had an ER of 4.09 while lee had an ER of 4.59 in the vb series either.

Are you saying your top Aust one-day attack would be Mcgrath, Gillispie, and Kaspa and no Lee?? Just wanting clarification.

depending on the conditions. but kaspa would play ahead of lee every single time.