Well wasnt the lost of 15 Kmph in Shoaibs delivery due to the slowness of the pitch? I think that played a big role in the drop speed. It will be interesting to see how much it slows down when he bowls in England.SJS said:One can argue about the lack of logic in what you say but it isnt required.
I dont know if you watched the India Pakistan test in the recent series. They showed the speed at differnt points during thhe 22 yards 'journey'
Shoaib lost about 15 kmph between delivery and pitching and another 15 kmph by the time the ball reached the stumps.
You dont have to believe me. Wait for the next series in which Shoaib and Lee play and see for yourself.
I've heard stories Thommo bowled with little warm up and after a night out, but I'm not sure if that's reliable or not.iamdavid said:There was a little segment on the cricket show earlier this summer about a speed contest they had back in the 1970's in the nets at Perth, they got the fastest 7 or 8 bowlers of that era n lined em up in front of a speed gun for an over each I think it was.
I dont know how reliable the speedo was but I remember Thompson won it but his fastest delivery was only recorded in the high 140's ...and noboddy else was really close to him.
It seems pretty unreliable given that it wasnt a match situation and they werent given a whole lot of deliveries...but still...That would imply that if that was anywhere near accurate then Lee...Shoaib...Donald...Bond were at their respective peaks significantly quicker than the fastest of yesteryear.
1. You will always lose speed on pitching. On some wickets you may lose more than on others but you WILL lose speed.Son Of Coco said:I've heard stories Thommo bowled with little warm up and after a night out, but I'm not sure if that's reliable or not.
I've also heard it reported that Thommo would have been 160+ before injuring himself...
Of course it is slower, but it can be slower by an amount that is not considerable over 22 yards if the drag was small enough.SJS said:Besides the loss on pitching the ball slows down even if it doesnt pitch. Even a full toss or a beamer is slower after travelling 22 yards than it was at the beginning of it. It just HAS to other wise it could go on moving for eternity till it went into outer space
Would you like to wait till the next series when Lee or Shoaib bowl and they show the speed at different points or would you like to take a bet now ?shankar said:Of course it is slower, but it can be slower by an amount that is not considerable over 22 yards if the drag was small enough.
Obviously, I'm not 100% sure and not ****y enough to bet on it since I've never followed the speed loss pattern closely and could be wrong - But based on the physics, if the initial speed is 155+kmph then the speed should not reduce below more than 5% or so till the time it pitches. If I see that it actually reduces a lot more, then I'd be intrigued and very much interested to know what the reason behind it is.SJS said:Would you like to wait till the next series when Lee or Shoaib bowl and they show the speed at different points or would you like to take a bet now ?
I will bet you a tousand dollars (US) the loss in pace is over ten percent irrespective of wicket.
Tempted ?
I think SJS is relying more on observation than logic. Fair enough, that's what counts in the end.Sanz said:So with SJS's logic, assuming that Shoaib delivers the bowl @ 100 miles per hour and by the time ball reaches the batsmen it's travelling at speed < 90mph (considering that it lost more than 10% of the speed when the ball was bowled).
There are a million lively bowlers but only the freaks bowl fast. Srinath is a looooong way down the list. There is no need to mention Darren Gough, Donald, and a hundred others who were all quicker than Srinath because despite being quick they were not the freaks at the top of the tree.RolledOver said:Srinath was very lively in his prime, i'm surprise noone mentioned him.
PhoenixFire said:Well, Boycott said it was either Michael Holding or Patrick Patterson, but the important point is that these were only the people that he had faced or seen in the flesh.
Frank Tyson claims to have been clocked at 119mph in an interview he did for Wisden, and he wouldn't lie about something like that, and I can assume that nobody could have reached those heights and not been clocked doing it, so for me it is Tyson.