English national football, where do we go from here?

[sledger]

I hear SS has a new found source of motivation.

 

[vcs]

Adam Johnson beats players as effortlessly as any player currently in world football not named Messi. Was a big miss for England at the World Cup.

 

[aussie]

Adam Johnson beats players as effortlessly as any player currently in world football not named Messi. Was a big miss for England at the World Cup.

As i mentioned earlier in this thread. Its Debatable TBF. Are we 100% sure he would have handled the pressure of the WC well?. Dont know. But given the SWP was shockingly picked with Walcott dropped - if Capello wanted a more experienced & seasoned premiership option - that was Ashley Young.

But thats all in the past. Johnson is a beauty & is a fixture now of course.

 

[marc71178]

No, Ashley Young was not the option as he's shown next to nothing for England, less than SWP in fact.

 

[aussie]

No, Ashley Young was not the option as he's shown next to nothing for England, less than SWP in fact.

Capello hardly ever used to call him up Youbg during WCQs between 2008-09/10. Plus the few tiems he did play i dont recall him every starting any game. So he was hardly given a change to prove himself on the international stage.But he was always a top performaer in the league on the wing.

So Capello's reason for leaving out Walcott. was because he didn't feel his form was right due to all the injuries (although i still would have picked him) & maybe wanted seasoned & in-form winger - Young was the best choice instead of SWP who was having real game time @ City nor ever looked good in an england shirt before againts good opposition.

 

[vcs]

As i mentioned earlier in this thread. Its Debatable TBF. Are we 100% sure he would have handled the pressure of the WC well?. Dont know. But given the SWP was shockingly picked with Walcott dropped - if Capello wanted a more experienced & seasoned premiership option - that was Ashley Young.

But thats all in the past. Johnson is a beauty & is a fixture now of course.

From what little I've seen of him, Johnson looks a cut above the likes of Young, Downing, SWP, Lennon etc. and offers everything you'd expect from a top-level winger. He's no one-trick pony. Interesting to see if he can keep it going, though.

 

[marc71178]

Capello hardly ever used to call him up Youbg during WCQs between 2008-09/10. Plus the few tiems he did play i dont recall him every starting any game. So he was hardly given a change to prove himself on the international stage.But he was always a top performaer in the league on the wing.

So Capello's reason for leaving out Walcott. was because he didn't feel his form was right due to all the injuries (although i still would have picked him) & maybe wanted seasoned & in-form winger - Young was the best choice instead of SWP who was having real game time @ City nor ever looked good in an england shirt before againts good opposition.

Which is still better than Young who'd never really looked good in an England shirt against any opposition, hence him not playing much.

 

[Uppercut]

Which is still better than Young who'd never really looked good in an England shirt against any opposition, hence him not playing much.

He's only ever started one match. And he was hauled off after an hour.

 

[sledger]

http://www.bettingpro.com/category/...bio-Capello-as-England-manager-2010100600168/

Haha oh dear.

On a side note, seems like a very stupid move from the FA to come out this early and say the next coach will definitely be English. Railroads them down a blind alley and limits their options massively. Just give it to the most qualified person ffs. Couldn't care less where he's from.

 

[marc71178]

He's only ever started one match. And he was hauled off after an hour.

Replaced by a debutant playing out of position who took his chance with both hands IIRC.

 

[Uppercut]

*shrug*

I'd much sooner play Milner than Young at the moment but I don't think it's fair to write off the latter's international career based on barely anything.

 

[aussie]

Replaced by a debutant playing out of position who took his chance with both hands IIRC.

Which match was this?

*shrug*

I'd much sooner play Milner than Young at the moment but I don't think it's fair to write off the latter's international career based on barely anything.

Indeed. Especially when he has looked international quality in the last two games he has played.

Plus Milner would start in the best ENG XI ATM. Young is still very much a sub-player

 

[sledger]

Which match was this?



Indeed. Especially when he has looked international quality in the last two games he has played.

Plus Milner would start in the best ENG XI ATM. Young is still very much a sub-player

Haha.

 

[marc71178]

*shrug*

I'd much sooner play Milner than Young at the moment but I don't think it's fair to write off the latter's international career based on barely anything.

As would any sane person, but 12-18 months ago how many people would've said that?

And for the record I'm not writing off Young, just pointing out that he's done nothing at International level yet to justify being picked.

 

[aussie]

Haha.

Indeed he looked absolutely useless againts Hungary & Switzerland. SMH

As would any sane person, but 12-18 months ago how many people would've said that?

And for the record I'm not writing off Young, just pointing out that he's done nothing at International level yet to justify being picked.

Why are you talking about 12-18 months ago?. I thought we where talking about whether he should have gone to the WC as Walcott's replacement instead of SWP.

Young last two solid international performances along with his very good league form over the last two years clearly justifies him being in the squad to face Montenegro this weekend. Which other winger in the league would you then pick instead of then?.

Plus i still want to know which match you are talking about here:

Replaced by a debutant playing out of position who took his chance with both hands IIRC.

 

[sledger]

Top quality opposition are Hungary and Switzerland.

 

[roseboy64]

As would any sane person, but 12-18 months ago how many people would've said that?

And for the record I'm not writing off Young, just pointing out that he's done nothing at International level yet to justify being picked.

Better to go off domestic form no? Anyway last season he didn't deserve to go. If it was now he would be.

 

[marc71178]

Not better to go off domestic form if they've played a higher level IMO.

I would also question what has changed that would now make him a definite pick in a squad - could easily argue for Milner, Cole, Johnson, Walcott and Lennon to all have bigger claims for a spot than him and there's not many managers name 6 wingers in a 23.

 

[Furball]

Not better to go off domestic form if they've played a higher level IMO.

I would also question what has changed that would now make him a definite pick in a squad - could easily argue for Milner, Cole, Johnson, Walcott and Lennon to all have bigger claims for a spot than him and there's not many managers name 6 wingers in a 23.

Joe Cole's claim for a spot is that he scored a cracking goal against Manchester United 5 years ago. Not exactly a strong case.

There's a reason Chelsea let him go and a reason he's at Liverpool.

 

[roseboy64]

Young's been one of the best out of those you named.