English Domestic Season 2024

[Third_Man]

Snapshots are always the best way but looking at last week's teams numbers are recruited from outside:
Worcestershire (9) plus Leach and D'Oliveira
Warwickshire (8) plus Shaikh, Yates, Hain (came as a 17 year old) so maybe 9
Durham (8) plus Hogg, McKinney & Minto (scarcely a handful of first class games between them)
Kent (8) Muyeye, Bell Drummond, Denly
Notts (7) plus McCann, James, Fletcher, Ahmed
Surrey (5) plus Sibley, Tom Curran (came at 17), Sam Curran, Burns, Lawes, Patel
Hampshire (4)
Lancashire (4)
Somerset (3)
Essex (3)

Overall, think that's 59 recruited and 51 developed.
Recruited:
Wor: Roderick, Libby, Ali, Jones, Hose, Brookes, Van Beek, Virdi, Taylor
War: Rhodes, Davies, Barnard, Burgess, Briggs, Miles, HannonDalby, Rushworth
Dur: Parkinson, Lees, Gay, Beddingham, Robinson, Ackermann, De Leede, Holder
Ken: Compton, Leaning, Evison, Finch, Parkinson, Jordan, Gilchrist, Garrett
Not: Hameed, Slater, Clarke, Haynes, Schadendorf, Lord, Duffy
Sur: Lawrence, Foakes, Clark, McKerr, Worrell
Han: Gubbins, Brown, Abbott, Abbas
Lan: Jennings, Williams, Philip, Wells
Som: Umeed, KohlerCadmore, Randell
Ess: Elgar, Critchley, Harmer

as has been said Surrey by no means top of that list

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Not included there will be the players that get taken from a Minor County and the big counties who snap them up have had basically no input in their development but it counts as one of their own more often than not.

 

[Yeoman]

For me there is a big difference between picking up a player who is a fringe or squad player at another county, or even one who has been released and poaching a first choice player.

 

[Third_Man]

Not included there will be the players that get taken from a Minor County and the big counties who snap them up have had basically no input in their development but it counts as one of their own more often than not.

I agree, I hestitated over that one but it's not always clear. Stokes played Cumbria under 15s thereafter Durham for instance.

 

[Third_Man]

For me there is a big difference between picking up a player who is a fringe or squad player at another county, or even one who has been released and poaching a first choice player.

Again agreed, but that information is seldom in the public domain particularly whether a player was out of contract but offered another by their original county, is that 'poaching' especially three or four years down the line.

 

[Chin Music]

I agree, I hestitated over that one but it's not always clear. Stokes played Cumbria under 15s thereafter Durham for instance.

I find that a slightly strange thing to consider. Surely the pathway for promising young players to succeed to an extent that they get picked up by a f/c county. That would go beyond Stokes. I kept getting reminded on another forum about Somerset having a fair number of players who came from Devon. It strikes me as a natural pathway.

 

[Third_Man]

I find that a slightly strange thing to consider. Surely the pathway for promising young players to succeed to an extent that they get picked up by a f/c county. That would go beyond Stokes. I kept getting reminded on another forum about Somerset having a fair number of players who came from Devon. It strikes me as a natural pathway.

Yes it is a natural pathway. Exactly. But it makes any analysis of who is a home grown player blurred. Does having played a season at under 17 age group mean that someone are home grown? Or should Yorkshire, Lancashire and Durham all count anyone who played Cumbria u15s as developed by the First Class County?

 

[chris.hinton]

Snapshots are always the best way but looking at last week's teams numbers are recruited from outside:
Worcestershire (9) plus Leach and D'Oliveira
Warwickshire (8) plus Shaikh, Yates, Hain (came as a 17 year old) so maybe 9
Durham (8) plus Hogg, McKinney & Minto (scarcely a handful of first class games between them)
Kent (8) Muyeye, Bell Drummond, Denly
Notts (7) plus McCann, James, Fletcher, Ahmed
Surrey (5) plus Sibley, Tom Curran (came at 17), Sam Curran, Burns, Lawes, Patel
Hampshire (4)
Lancashire (4)
Somerset (3)
Essex (3)

Overall, think that's 59 recruited and 51 developed.
Recruited:
Wor: Roderick, Libby, Ali, Jones, Hose, Brookes, Van Beek, Virdi, Taylor
War: Rhodes, Davies, Barnard, Burgess, Briggs, Miles, HannonDalby, Rushworth
Dur: Parkinson, Lees, Gay, Beddingham, Robinson, Ackermann, De Leede, Holder
Ken: Compton, Leaning, Evison, Finch, Parkinson, Jordan, Gilchrist, Garrett
Not: Hameed, Slater, Clarke, Haynes, Schadendorf, Lord, Duffy
Sur: Lawrence, Foakes, Clark, McKerr, Worrell
Han: Gubbins, Brown, Abbott, Abbas
Lan: Jennings, Williams, Philip, Wells
Som: Umeed, KohlerCadmore, Randell
Ess: Elgar, Critchley, Harmer

as has been said Surrey by no means top of that list

Excellent analysis

 

[chris.hinton]

26th September

Division 1

Somerset vs Hampshire
Durham vs Kent
Nottinghamshire vs Warwickshire
Worcestershire vs Lancashire
Essex vs Surrey

Division 2

Glamorgan vs Gloucestershire
Leicestershire vs Derbyshire
Sussex vs Middlesex
Yorkshire vs Northamptonshire

Last match of the season will start tomorrow, Weather obviously going to be an issue with these games

 

[chris.hinton]

Somerset and Surrey games are underway. The rest delayed due to wet outfields or rain

 

[chris.hinton]

Hampshire (Playing XI): Toby Albert, Fletcha Middleton, Nick Gubbins, James Vince(c), Ben Brown(w), Liam Dawson, Tom Prest, James Fuller, Felix Organ, Kyle Abbott, Mohammad Abbas

Somerset (Playing XI): Andrew Umeed, Archie Vaughan, Tom Lammonby, Tom Abell, Tom Kohler-Cadmore, James Rew(w), Lewis Gregory(c), Kasey Aldridge, Jack Leach, Alfie Ogborne, Shoaib Bashir

 

[tony p]

Hopefully New Road isn't underwater for 4 days.

 

[chris.hinton]

Surrey (Playing XI): Rory Burns(c), Dominic Sibley, Ryan Patel, Ben Geddes, Daniel Lawrence, Josh Blake(w), OFM Sykes, Tom Lawes, James Taylor, Kemar Roach, Yousef Majid

Essex (Playing XI): Dean Elgar, Robin Das, Tom Westley(c), Matthew Critchley, Luc Benkenstein, Paul Walter, Adam Rossington(w), Simon Harmer, Shane Snater, Sam Cook, Jamie Porter

 

[chris.hinton]

Hopefully New Road isn't underwater for 4 days.

It looks like it should be ok in the afternoon at some point.

 

[tony p]

It looks like it should be ok in the afternoon at some point.

I want Lanc, Notts & Warw and York & Middx to be on the field to decide things, not have rain decide relegation & promotion.

 

[mackembhoy]

Only Taunton and Chemlsford get going.

Be surprised if we see play much play at other grounds today. Surely too cold for the outfields to dry up.

 

[tony p]

What's the forecast in the UK for the next 3 days, likely to be much cricket.?

 

[FBU]

29/3 Somerset.

 

[mackembhoy]

What's the forecast in the UK for the next 3 days, likely to be much cricket.?

Amber and yellow weather warnings for most of England today/tomorrow.

Problem is even if the rain stops. It's going to be too cold over night for the ground to dry, more likely to freeze than dry.

 

[tony p]

Here is New Road right now.