Englands Kick

[tooextracool]

The english conditions weren't particularly great for seamers this year and there wasn't much bounce either for a warne.

i dont know what you've been watching my friend, but the number of wickets that giles took this summer must give you some indication about how friendly the wickets were for spinners right?

It's kinda unlikely that attack is gonna play every Test without getting injured anyway - missing those bowlers would make a big difference as shown before.

of course the aussie bowlers are just as likely to get injured as the english bowlers. and believe me an injury to harmison/flintoff woulde be far more serious a blow to englands chances than the loss of gillespie/mcgrath would be to australia's.
i mean just look at england's bowling attack, australia have 4 top class bowlers, england have about 2. hoggards and giles are really only support bowlers and the 5th bowler has barely managed to make any impact on the side. and i really wonder which batting card is better, australias or englands?

 

[Scaly piscine]

The pitches in England were friendly for finger spinners, Warne will spin it on anything so it's not such a big factor for him - for a bowler like him it's the bounce in the pitch that's more important than turn in the pitch. Gillespie and McGrath are more likely to get injured for a length of time than any of the main 4 English bowlers (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Giles)

 

[tooextracool]

The pitches in England were friendly for finger spinners, Warne will spin it on anything so it's not such a big factor for him - for a bowler like him it's the bounce in the pitch that's more important than turn in the pitch. Gillespie and McGrath are more likely to get injured for a length of time than any of the main 4 English bowlers (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Giles)

i can assure you that warne can take advantage of any conditions that are conducive for a spinner and doesnt need bounce in the wicket. and i think its fairly obvious that in any conditions, warne is a better bowler than giles.
with regards to the injuries, i wouldnt be so certain about that, not too long ago, in the last ashes series in fact, about half the english side was injured if that says something. as i said earlier the loss of harmison or flintoff in particular would be lethal to any chance that england has off winning that series. i dont think the loss of any one of the australian bowlers will be that detrimental.

 

[Tom Halsey]

i can assure you that warne can take advantage of any conditions that are conducive for a spinner and doesnt need bounce in the wicket.

Rubbish - bounce is essential for any spinner to be at their peak.

 

[Tom Halsey]

i dont know what you've been watching my friend, but the number of wickets that giles took this summer must give you some indication about how friendly the wickets were for spinners right?

Yes, there was turn, but he did bowl fairly well too - why can't people occasionally give credit where it's due and not keep saying it was the pitch?

 

[sledger]

Yes, there was turn, but he did bowl fairly well too - why can't people occasionally give credit where it's due and not keep saying it was the pitch?

silly aussies failingto accept that england may have a decent player, is to be expected im afraid, after all its not the first time this sort of thing has happened,

write em off at your peril basically, arrogance will be the downfall

 

[tooextracool]

Rubbish - bounce is essential for any spinner to be at their peak.

yes bounce is better because it makes them more dangerous. in fact turn + bounce is lethal for any spin bowler. but a quality spinner can get wickets with or without bounce.

 

[tooextracool]

Yes, there was turn, but he did bowl fairly well too - why can't people occasionally give credit where it's due and not keep saying it was the pitch?

yes he did bowl well, i didnt say that he didnt. but to take 28 wickets in his last 4 tests in england it does take some assistance from the pitch too doesnt it?

 

[Richard]

I have to agree with basically everyone here; there is no chance England will win this time around. In Australia, however, we'll most definetely be without McGrath, Warne, Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Gilchrist, Lehmann, Kasper, and possibly Ponting and Gillespie. So that's basically everyone except Lee, Katich and Clarke. In other words we would probably be in trouble.

If Ponting and Gillespie aren't playing in 2006\07 I'll be astonished.
Wouldn't rule-out Warne still playing, either.
Can't see any of the rest, though.

 

[Richard]

Yes, there was turn, but he did bowl fairly well too - why can't people occasionally give credit where it's due and not keep saying it was the pitch?

Giles almost always bowls well when there's turn in the pitch - but like any fingerspinner he will almost never get good figures when there isn't turn in the pitch.
It's no offence to Giles, or any other fingerspinner, that they get wickets on turning pitches.

 

[Richard]

silly aussies failingto accept that england may have a decent player, is to be expected im afraid, after all its not the first time this sort of thing has happened,

write em off at your peril basically, arrogance will be the downfall

Funny how neither Tom, tooextracool nor Scaly piscine are Aussies.
Even more funny that they're actually all English.

 

[Richard]

Rubbish - bounce is essential for any spinner to be at their peak.

It's essential for any spinner to be at their peak, yes, but it's not essential for Warne to be very dangerous.
Which, in this instance, was all tooextracool was saying.

 

[Richard]

with regards to the injuries, i wouldnt be so certain about that, not too long ago, in the last ashes series in fact, about half the english side was injured if that says something.

Not to mention the two before that when at least a quarter of the side were injured in both.