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England XI vs India XI (since 1970)
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Coronis
International Coach
Of all time?
England’s got the best batting.
Pakistan’s got the best pace attack.
India likely the best spin attack.
I feel like England’s bowling attack is definitely better than India’s. Even if you say excluded Barnes for whatever reason their pace attack are all superior to any non Bumrah Indian and at worst their best spinner is at the same level as India’s.
Don’t think there’s much between the 3 but I’ll give England the edge.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
SA won a series against Eng. WI had a pretty good fast bowling attack for the time and NZ had Jack Cowie. Ind had pretty good attack themself including ripping England’s top order apart very quickly before efforts from Ames and Jardine to save them. Botham averaged 21 against Indies. You just can’t discount what he did against other teams. Ames is no way a worse batsman than Botham.
Ofc English bat would avg 42.28 during Ames time considering that was The Golden Generation of English batting. Gilchrist averaged like 27 against India too. Ames also scored over 100 100s at an average of 43.51.
Coronis
International Coach
Who didn’t score 100 100’s in the interwar period tbf.
Anyway mb, rereading I realised that this was batting specific. I think Ames is a better bat than Botham and Flintoff. But I dislike this trying to hype him up as a batsman. His test average is extremely flattering.
kyear2
International Coach
Pakistan's pace attack is so very good, but the batting is by far the worst.
My English attack today is Tyson, Trueman, Anderson and Verity and a batting lineup of Hutton, Hobbs, Hammond, Root and Barrington is pretty good, about as good as India's and a deeper pace attack. Plus a cordon of Knott, Hammond, Botham and Barrington is vastly superior to the others.
India has the batting, but Bumrah being the only elite paver holds them back a little.
So yeah, my guess would be England as well
This conversation really can only start with people who made debuts after 1947 when India and Pakistan were independent.
On thay basis England is def out so it’s India vs Pakistan which is debated as nauseam because of the better pace bowling in Pakistan and better batting and depth in India
On thay basis England is def out so it’s India vs Pakistan which is debated as nauseam because of the better pace bowling in Pakistan and better batting and depth in India
kyear2
International Coach
Why pray tell?
It's a hypothetical contest of all the AT teams, and you're setting a date that applies to just two? And you're not even saying played after but going full debuted after...
All just to be benefit your perspective?
Anyways.....
There's a clear top 3, and if there's a TRI Nation competition for the 3rd, really think England comes out on top. Only one of the 3 that that has elite batting and bowling talent.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Basically excluding Hutton, Compton etc.
Those who played after 1947
Hutton*
Boycott
Barrington
Compton
Root
Pietersen
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Trueman
Snow/ Anderson
flibbertyjibber
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Ridiculous given an England side pre 1970 would probably wipe the floor with India. Fixed to suit an agenda.
Johan
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I love how salty some fans are for comparing two teams in modern times...... Probably don't be so dependent on players who played before the friggin moon landing!!!?
kyear2
International Coach
Not about salty, but why even bring up restrictions
sayon basak
International Debutant
To compare teams in a specific timeline.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
We frequently bring up various restrictions on comparing players. How many comparisons you have seen of modern openers? I can attest to have more than 5 atleast. Judging two teams in the proper modern eras is hardly some "heavy, nit picky" restriction. If one team is doing significantly worse, it's totally on them really.
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Yes because India wasn’t an independent nation until 1947 thanks to you lot
kyear2
International Coach
Which is a lot earlier than it was for a lot of Caribbean countries.
Plus you know, the slavery thing.
Coronis
International Coach
Lets not.
kyear2
International Coach
I'm just saying we can all have our grievances, no need to bring them into cricket.