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England thread

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Can they not just all go home already? This format is so bad. No team should still be playing matches in a World Cup after this many defeats.
The irony is that they're still not mathematically out of it either!! And now they've got to play to qualify for a tournament that most of them wouldn't even be at anyway.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly
I think it tells us something. When we were discussing England's prospects before the tournament, one of the reasons I was suggesting that we're not as good as we were was the failure of most of them to have any sort of impact in the IPL. Did even Buttler contribute much in the games that he did play? Ditto Moeen? I know it's a different format to the current WC, but I thought it told us something about their form nowadays and/or stage of their careers.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly
Have English players ever really had a massive impact on the IPL (bar Buttler's one huge year)? Didn't stop them reaching the Final in India in 2016 (should've won) and various other limited overs success.

Just seem like a team that have gone on a year too long, but even then are completely devoid of confidence and form.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
I think it tells us something. When we were discussing England's prospects before the tournament, one of the reasons I was suggesting that we're not as good as we were was the failure of most of them to have any sort of impact in the IPL. Did even Buttler contribute much in the games that he did play? Ditto Moeen? I know it's a different format to the current WC, but I thought it told us something about their form nowadays and/or stage of their careers.
Buttler went ok but didn't stand out like he did the year before.

Mo also did ok but in a way that works for T20 but wouldn't translate to 50 overs (i.e. decent strike rate but not great average when batting; bowling was pretty tight but was only used as a part timer).


Buttler's been perhaps the biggest underperformer relative to expectation this WC (unless you expected Stokes to be fit...). Being captain of a sinking ship I'm sure hasn't helped him.
 

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
Have English players ever really had a massive impact on the IPL (bar Buttler's one huge year)? Didn't stop them reaching the Final in India in 2016 (should've won) and various other limited overs success.

Just seem like a team that have gone on a year too long, but even then are completely devoid of confidence and form.
It's weird though. The Australian and Indian team are not exactly full of young folk. If anything, not a dissimilar age profile for them.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
i was so excited when CSK signed flintoff

then he got injured and never played much for us and retired

was so excited when we signed stokes. hope he doesn't go the same way
 

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
I suspect there's something going on behind the scenes too, there kind of has to be you'd think.
I guess this will come out in the wash. Can't see Buttler staying as captain. It may be that one or two of the white ball specialists perhaps retire from international duty to chase the t20 coin.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
I guess this will come out in the wash. Can't see Buttler staying as captain. It may be that one or two of the white ball specialists perhaps retire from international duty to chase the t20 coin.
I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.
If Root wants to play ODIs going forwards then we should absolutely keep him around. But he has to actually play them.

The likes of Rashid and others have just signed 2-year deals. Quite interesting really given that after next June I'm not sure there is a white ball future for many of them.
 

Chin Music

State Vice-Captain
I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.
There may be a point in keeping Buttler for the next t20 world cup, but surely he shouldn't really be involved in the near term ODIs if proper succession planning is going to be undertaken. I take the point re Crawley not being top of the pile, but further thought needs to be given for the future of the ODI team as Buttler is unlikely to be around for 2027.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
england are spooked by slightly different bounce

they will be fine if there is no challenges poised by pitches in limited overs
 

FBU

International Debutant
I'd happily see us go back to three captains.

Stokes in Tests
Brook/Crawley or A N other in ODIs
Buttler in t20s
1 Salt
2 Jacks (c)
3 Duckett
4 Hain
5 Kohler-Cadmore
6 Smith
7 Ahmed
8 Carse
9 Mahmood
10 Archer
11 Topley
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Livingstone: 280 runs @35, sr 160 in ipl 2023, FYI. He's been one of the most consistently dangerous bats in the league the past two seasons. Insane disrespect on his name.
 

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