England thread

[RossTaylorsBox]

Lmao so good

 

[Molehill]

Can they not just all go home already? This format is so bad. No team should still be playing matches in a World Cup after this many defeats.

The irony is that they're still not mathematically out of it either!! And now they've got to play to qualify for a tournament that most of them wouldn't even be at anyway.

 

[Shri]

this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly

 

[wpdavid]

this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly

I think it tells us something. When we were discussing England's prospects before the tournament, one of the reasons I was suggesting that we're not as good as we were was the failure of most of them to have any sort of impact in the IPL. Did even Buttler contribute much in the games that he did play? Ditto Moeen? I know it's a different format to the current WC, but I thought it told us something about their form nowadays and/or stage of their careers.

 

[Prince EWS]

this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeenq

Yeah and they sucked the hardest here.

 

[Daemon]

Moeen is just crap in general so he’s performed as expected

 

[Molehill]

this might mean little but the only 2 guys who played significant number of matches in this year's ipl were buttler and moeen

root warmed benches with RR, stokes was not risked by csk because of injury concerns, malan no, bairstow injured, livingstone yes but no impact, woakes no, rashid not much, wood maybe 4 games including one 5fer, willey not much, brook hit a 100 on a road

in comparison, nz, aus and sa players featured constantly

Have English players ever really had a massive impact on the IPL (bar Buttler's one huge year)? Didn't stop them reaching the Final in India in 2016 (should've won) and various other limited overs success.

Just seem like a team that have gone on a year too long, but even then are completely devoid of confidence and form.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I think it tells us something. When we were discussing England's prospects before the tournament, one of the reasons I was suggesting that we're not as good as we were was the failure of most of them to have any sort of impact in the IPL. Did even Buttler contribute much in the games that he did play? Ditto Moeen? I know it's a different format to the current WC, but I thought it told us something about their form nowadays and/or stage of their careers.

Buttler went ok but didn't stand out like he did the year before.

Mo also did ok but in a way that works for T20 but wouldn't translate to 50 overs (i.e. decent strike rate but not great average when batting; bowling was pretty tight but was only used as a part timer).


Buttler's been perhaps the biggest underperformer relative to expectation this WC (unless you expected Stokes to be fit...). Being captain of a sinking ship I'm sure hasn't helped him.

 

[Chin Music]

Have English players ever really had a massive impact on the IPL (bar Buttler's one huge year)? Didn't stop them reaching the Final in India in 2016 (should've won) and various other limited overs success.

Just seem like a team that have gone on a year too long, but even then are completely devoid of confidence and form.

It's weird though. The Australian and Indian team are not exactly full of young folk. If anything, not a dissimilar age profile for them.

 

[Shri]

i was so excited when CSK signed flintoff

then he got injured and never played much for us and retired

was so excited when we signed stokes. hope he doesn't go the same way

 

[Molehill]

It's weird though. The Australian and Indian team are not exactly full of young folk. If anything, not a dissimilar age profile for them.

I suspect there's something going on behind the scenes too, there kind of has to be you'd think.

 

[Chin Music]

I suspect there's something going on behind the scenes too, there kind of has to be you'd think.

I guess this will come out in the wash. Can't see Buttler staying as captain. It may be that one or two of the white ball specialists perhaps retire from international duty to chase the t20 coin.

 

[Molehill]

I guess this will come out in the wash. Can't see Buttler staying as captain. It may be that one or two of the white ball specialists perhaps retire from international duty to chase the t20 coin.

I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.

 

[GIMH]

I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.

If Root wants to play ODIs going forwards then we should absolutely keep him around. But he has to actually play them.

The likes of Rashid and others have just signed 2-year deals. Quite interesting really given that after next June I'm not sure there is a white ball future for many of them.

 

[Chin Music]

I think Buttler will stay as I don't see too many alternatives. They gave Crawley the Ireland series, but I think there's more obvious batsmen to come into the team from that squad than him (Salt, Jacks, Hain, Duckett).

But working the way through the team from yesterday:

Bairstow - if he doesn't find form we have younger alternatives coming through
Malan - Should probably be moved on given his age and alternatives
Root - Retire, Hain can do this job better now
Stokes - Retire
Buttler - remain
Moeen - See ya
Livingstone - Remain, but only as a squad player
Woakes - Time to move on
Willey - Keep as squad player
Wood - I'd rather he went red ball only now but suspect he'll be retained in squads going forward
Rashid - Keep for T20 World Cup then move on

No point playing Stokes or Ali in any remaining games in this comp.

There may be a point in keeping Buttler for the next t20 world cup, but surely he shouldn't really be involved in the near term ODIs if proper succession planning is going to be undertaken. I take the point re Crawley not being top of the pile, but further thought needs to be given for the future of the ODI team as Buttler is unlikely to be around for 2027.

 

[GIMH]

I'd happily see us go back to three captains.

Stokes in Tests
Brook/Crawley or A N other in ODIs
Buttler in t20s

 

[Shri]

england are spooked by slightly different bounce

they will be fine if there is no challenges poised by pitches in limited overs

 

[CricAddict]

england are spooked by slightly different bounce

they will be fine if there is no challenges poised by pitches in limited overs

Yes. The test series in India is going to be fun.

 

[FBU]

I'd happily see us go back to three captains.

Stokes in Tests
Brook/Crawley or A N other in ODIs
Buttler in t20s

1 Salt
2 Jacks (c)
3 Duckett
4 Hain
5 Kohler-Cadmore
6 Smith
7 Ahmed
8 Carse
9 Mahmood
10 Archer
11 Topley

 

[Nintendo]

Livingstone: 280 runs @35, sr 160 in ipl 2023, FYI. He's been one of the most consistently dangerous bats in the league the past two seasons. Insane disrespect on his name.