PhoenixFire
International Coach
Erm, what's that got to do with anything right now?
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England can beat India "every day of week": Gough
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Blaze 18
Banned
I am just doing what everyone else is doing here.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Pretty good when the attack has Zaheer as leader. Would love it if there was some way to check Ishant/Sree/Bhajji's averages when Zaheer was in the team in statsguru.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
There are a lot of (IMO) pointless discussions in this thread about what teams have done up to 25 years ago. This England team is very new; the point isn't that they're the best team in the world based on results around the world, but that they have the team to do that now. Ignoring what that idiot Gough said, people have made predictions based on analysis of the current team that is yet to play very much as a unit.
What they did 14 years ago with an entirely different set of players under a different captain and a different coach really isn't relevant because no-one's saying their long-term past results are good.
What they did 14 years ago with an entirely different set of players under a different captain and a different coach really isn't relevant because no-one's saying their long-term past results are good.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Not really, they'd get a game for pretty much every Test side bar England and Australia.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Don't think I said there was a series happening right now.
we are debating about the current England side would fare against the current India side if they were to play a match now though.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
No you're not, you're building your own straw man arguments.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yes. India have performed better than England in the recent past and thoroughly deserve their ranking. But that's not what we're talking about.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Hmm, I would back India to win comfortably in India. I would probably back a drawn series in England, which could tip either way depending on the pitches.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Checked it. Sree/Bajjhi/Ishant's averages drop a whole 2 points when Zaheer plays.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_involve=7678;template=results;type=allround
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...r_involve=7678;template=results;type=allround
Blaze 18
Banned
The point is, recent results against teams don't really mean much if you are talking about how they would do mano-e-mano. If you want to talk about how a team is performing relative to others, you might as well go by the rankings. Hence why bringing up India versus Australia and England versus Australia isn't terribly relevant.
As for how the current English side would do against the current Indian side - like I said, it would be a close series if played in England. I would expect India to beat England quite comfortably in India, though. I don't think the conditions in England would be harder than what India encountered in Durban, if anything it would be easier. And while Graeme Swann, who happens to be my favourite spinner currently, is much better than Harris, India traditionally play right-arm spinners much better than they do left-arm ones, especially right-arm off spinners. The big question is, can India take twenty English wickets ? If Zaheer is fit, I would say yes.
Bun
Banned
hehe pwnd
This is what will happen.. England will be beaten to pulp in India and India would be hard to beat in English conditions, Maybe a series draw is the most likely result.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I reckon England would win in England and while India would be slight favourites at home I wouldn't be surprised with a drawn series.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
The rankings show how a team has performed. When team makeups change, the performances of a team in the past - even the recent past - lose value. There are other things you can factor in.
Jarquis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
No, the rankings include games as far as 4(?) years ago.. which is really quite irrelevant when discussion the teams as of now.
As for your very last question.. I still think you'd struggle hugely. Besides Zaheer and Bhaji your bowlers are genuinely poo.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So do bowling rankings, which is what marcuss posted, and what the post was in reply to.